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    Re: White Supremacists, Demonstrators square off in L.A.

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    That just shows how ignorant you are on the subject.

    Reconquista.

    Look it up.

    Racists are on both sides and to pretend only whitey can be racist is just pure ignorance.
    Ignorance? No, it's more of a matter of sufficient knowledge of the issue to laugh at your "reconquista" ideas. First and foremost, the NCLR is incapable of being racist because Hispanics are not a race. They can be of any race, be they whites from Cuba or Argentina, blacks from the Dominican Republic, or Indians from Mexico or Guatemala. Hispanic identity is forged by linguistic connections, and there is certainly more racism within some Hispanic countries than in the U.S. The Indians that you think all Hispanics are probably encounter more racism in Mexico than in the United States.

    That brings us to the point about your "reconquista." The most common variation of it is that Mexican immigrants have an interest in "re-conquering" the U.S. Southwest, since they believe that it was "stolen" from them as a result of the Mexican-American war. Any knowledge of Mexican domestic politics and race relations would reveal to you how stupid an idea this is.

    Contrary to popular misconceptions of Mexicans as a racial group rather than the national group that they are (as with Canadians or Americans), Mexico is a multi-racial country, but the three most prominent socio-racial classes are the whites (primarily Spanish), the Indians, and the mestizos (mixed Spanish-Indian). The mestizos overlap into the other two categories, and the majority can be reasonably classified as one or the other. The predominantly white ones were called "castizos" in colonial times, and are part of the white population today (since everyone is technically a "mestizo" to some degree, since everyone has some degree of admixture). The predominantly Indian ones were called "cholos" in colonial times, and lower-class mestizos that have darker skin and more "Indian" features are effectively treated as Indians, especially if they live in rural areas. The majority of mestizos are predominantly Indian, and the differences between the so-called "pure-blooded" and "mixed-blooded" Indian populations are actually more cultural than racial, something very common throughout Latin America, and present in Anglo America also. The Mestizo Concept: A Product of European Imperialism

    In Mexico an indio who puts on shoes, learns Spanish, and moves to a larger city becomes a non-Indian (he becomes mestizo or a Mexicano).

    In Peru an Anishinabe woman who sets up a small shop becomes a chola. She is no longer an india.

    In Guatemala a Cakchiquel who learns Spanish and moves to the city becomes a ladino. He is no longer indio.

    In Peru, Bolivia, Mexico, and elsewhere, millions of people who were indios just a few years ago are now officially campesinos. Bolivia has no more Anishinabegs, only peasants.

    In Brazil an Indian who takes up farming away from a tribal village becomes a caboclo or perhaps a mestizo or simply a Brazilian peasant.

    In the United States an Indian whose reservation is terminated becomes officially a non-Indian.

    In Canada an Indian whose group never signed a treaty or received a reservation is a metis.

    In the United States many Chicanos of unmixed physical appearance are classified as whites with Spanish surnames.

    In Mexico a man of complete Indian appearance who wears a suit, has a college education, and speaks Spanish has to be mestizo, since he could never be an indio.
    The whites are the upper class and the Indians the lower class, with any middle to upper class Indians becoming "mestizos." The Mexican government is primarily composed of whites; the country is characterized by a form of informal apartheid that places Native Americans at the bottom of the totem pole.

    Now, the majority of Mexican immigrants are the Indian lower and under classes; some have experienced such intense rural isolation that they do not even speak Spanish. Within Mexico, those Indians have been affiliated with socialist or leftist movements characterized by overt antagonism to the Mexican government, which is dominated by whites of Spanish extraction. The Zapatista Army of National Liberation (named after revolutionary figure Emiliano Zapata), is the most famous, and overwhelmingly consists of Tzotzil Mayans of the southernmost Mexican state of Chiapas, which borders Guatemala and is heavily Indian. Another is the "Magonista" movement (named after revolutionary figure Ricardo Flores Magon), in the heavily Indian state of Oaxaca. These groups have engaged in violent conflict with Mexican military forces in the past, and are certainly still very much at odds with the government.

    It's thus the case that Mexican nationalism is hardly popular among migrant laborers; why would they desire that the government whose jurisdiction they are departing gain authority over the region that they are traveling to, particularly when many governmental figures are regarded as racists unsympathetic to their troubles? "Reconquista" ideology is discussed more often among socially conservative circles sympathetic to white populism than among Mexican immigrants.

    Of course, you've still engaged in the same fallacy of equivalence that jamesrage and zimmer have, that of "Jesse Jackson is equivalent to David Duke." The only other people who have such ideas are white nationalists, who insist that Duke is merely an advocate for the white race as Jackson is an advocate for the black race, and claim to dislike Jackson not because he promotes racial equality, but because of his alleged promotion of black supremacy and "racism against whites."

    [ame=http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=615612#post7046712]Racist Jesse Jackson Strikes Again - Stormfront[/ame]

    I expect nothing less from this piece of crap. His racism far exceeds all the white racism put together. He is slime.
    [ame=http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=395628#post4293021]Another Jesse Jackson Tirade On Evil Whitey - Stormfront[/ame]

    Do we expect anything more from Jesse? I don't. The guy is a total waste of oxygen. With as much as he runs his mouth, he should be charged an extra tax, or something, for all the carbon dioxide he spews from his pie hole. I encourage him to keep it up though, because there will come a day when mainstream Whites will see him talking smack on a daily basis, and they'll finally realize that he's just a race-baiting piece of filth. If a race war ever kicks off, I can guarantee you that jesse and al will be in the middle of it. For now, I just try to ignore what he says. When he's on TV, I change the channel. If he's mentioned in an article, I stop reading. If someone talks about him (in a positive way), I walk away. I don't NEED or WANT to hear his propaganda. This character cannot not go to hell quickly enough for me.
    [ame=http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=395628#post4293021]Another Jesse Jackson Tirade On Evil Whitey - Stormfront[/ame]

    If Jesse ever did have to stop spewing his hate and fiction, he would have to go out and get a real job. When will his hate speeches ever become a hate crime?
    [ame=http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=395628#post4293155]Another Jesse Jackson Tirade On Evil Whitey - Stormfront[/ame]

    Probably shortly after hell freezes over. Remember..."hate laws" only apply to whites.
    The rest of us know better. Black advocacy and "black pride" movements were born of specific discrimination against blacks as a racial minority and underclass; "white nationalism" is merely a feeble attempt to cling to an antiquated system of bigotry.

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    Well history maybe but in the demographic projections are correct us Whites be the My- Oh- my -nority by rear 2050 I think !!!
    That isn't true...and is again related to the misunderstanding of the notion of Hispanic identity. Non-Hispanic whites will no longer hold an outright majority, but a plurality, meaning that they will still be the largest racial group, but will no longer outnumber all the others combined. But all whites combined (including Hispanic whites), will still hold an absolute majority.

    Roger Hernandez: Decline of the "White non-Hispanic" No Big Deal

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    Re: White Supremacists, Demonstrators square off in L.A.

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    White Supremacists, Demonstrators square off in L.A.



    While both sides should be allowed to be their, protesting, I only wish that a fw of the Nazi's had gotten angry, violent, and arrested rather then the counter-demonstrators...but that's just me.

    Anyone think the Nazi's could be inciting others to riot, and be persecuted as such?
    In 2005 I visited my friend in Mandison, WI and I happened to arrive on the week when it was "national nazi day". On the day, a group of nazis arrived in a couple of school buses that were escorted by police for their protection. They convened at the capital building and started shouting their hate messages.

    All around the capital square were about 1,500-2,000 counter protesters and they were extremely angry. Many people were shouting things like, "My grandfather died in WWII fighting scum like you!" or, "My grandmother almost died in the camps!" Because the police were charged with the uncomfortable duty of ensuring that everyone had the right to free speech but not violence, there was a firm barrier of riot police separating the two sides.

    The counter-protesters eventually formed a slogan chant in order to drown out the voices of the nazis. It was a clever use of free speech, actually. Eventually the nazis started to leave, and as they were the crowd moved to block the school buses so they couldn't drive away. I swear, I felt so bad for the police that day. Some of them were black and hispanic and were charged with protecting that scum, even though the nazis were shouting things about white superiority.

    The counter-protesters would have killed those nazis if they could have broken through, I have no doubt about it. So when I read about cases where counter-protesters at a white supremacist rally got violent, I am not at all surprised. When you made it a point to spew hate with such audacity, people will want to shut you up.

    I'm not really in favor of mob justice, but I can't lie, part of me was hoping that maybe 100 or so people broke through and went to work on those sub-human pieces of trash. You had to be there to understand. The things they were saying were just so outrageous.

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    Re: White Supremacists, Demonstrators square off in L.A.

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    The Nazi's ?? The illegals ? Or both ?
    The Nazi's. Illegal immigration has unfortunately has made these scumbags quasi-relevant. You kick all the illegals out, they along with alot of other filth go back into their holes.

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Rev. Wright, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakhan... Black Supremacists.

    What good for one group of chaotic nutjobs is equally good for the others.

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    Wright and Farrakhan advocate Black Liberation which in my research is a form of racial separatism. (Think ETA in Spain and somewhat Chechnya) Sharpton and Jackson are just down right assholes.
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    Re: White Supremacists, Demonstrators square off in L.A.

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    Has anyone else noticed this. Certain people or groups who are oppsed to illegal immigration are also opposed to legal immigration. Or put in another way certain people who dislike immigrants dislike all immigrants.
    Has anyone notice this. Certain people or groups who support illegal immigration try to lump illegals with immigrants. Or put it another war certain people who support illegal immigration try to lump it in with legal immigration. I wonder if Europeans would like it if we lumped Euro-trash with Europeans and simply just called the all Euro-Trash? It seems that the Nazi scum and the pro-illegals share a lot in common, they both like to lump illegals and immigrants together as though somehow they are the same.

    Perhaps pro-illegals lump the two different groups together so they can falsely accuse the other side of being against immigration or somehow suggest that just because we do not want our borders wide open or let in every Tom Dick and harry then we must somehow be opposed legal immigration.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: White Supremacists, Demonstrators square off in L.A.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Jam I love you but wow.

    So I guess the wearing of green, Irish dance and music, green beer and all the kiss me I'm Irish buttons are just sort of there?
    Its a Irish holiday or in this country a drinking Holiday associated with Ireland,not Irish pride.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: White Supremacists, Demonstrators square off in L.A.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Its a Irish holiday or in this country a drinking Holiday associated with Ireland,not Irish pride.
    I guess no one should be wearing buttons like this then?



    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: White Supremacists, Demonstrators square off in L.A.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I guess no one should be wearing buttons like this then?



    Sure some might, but most just see Saint Patty's day a drinking holiday just like kids see Christmas as presents day, Easter as Look for candy,plastic eggs and some cases real eggs day and Halloween as dress up in costumes and get free candy day.We take these holidays to mean different things regardless of their original intent, which is why some see it as Irish pride even though its intent is to celebrate a Catholic saint who brought Catholicism to the Irish.
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    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: White Supremacists, Demonstrators square off in L.A.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Sure some might, but most just see Saint Patty's day a drinking holiday just like kids see Christmas as presents day, Easter as Look for candy,plastic eggs and some cases real eggs day and Halloween as dress up in costumes and get free candy day.We take these holidays to mean different things regardless of their original intent, which is why some see it as Irish pride even though its intent is to celebrate a Catholic saint who brought Catholicism to the Irish.
    It's obvious you have never seen the celebration in Chicago!
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: White Supremacists, Demonstrators square off in L.A.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cochise View Post
    Ignorance? No, it's more of a matter of sufficient knowledge of the issue to laugh at your "reconquista" ideas.
    Spoken like a true denier of the facts.

    First and foremost, the NCLR is incapable of being racist because Hispanics are not a race. They can be of any race, be they whites from Cuba or Argentina, blacks from the Dominican Republic, or Indians from Mexico or Guatemala. Hispanic identity is forged by linguistic connections, and there is certainly more racism within some Hispanic countries than in the U.S. The Indians that you think all Hispanics are probably encounter more racism in Mexico than in the United States.
    That has to be the biggest bunch of bull**** I've read in a long time. One flag is flown at La Raza events. The Mexican flag. I've already established the root followings are to the Aztec people.

    Take a look:

    NCIR on Aztlan Center Naming Controversy

    Neo Nazis are not all white Germans either but that doesn't take away from their goal and it certainly doesn't change La Raza.

    To pretend a literal translation to "The Race" can't be racist is by definition pure idiocy.

    Neo Nazis also just claim they are taking pride in their own race and no one is stupid enough to believe that claim either.

    That brings us to the point about your "reconquista." The most common variation of it is that Mexican immigrants have an interest in "re-conquering" the U.S. Southwest, since they believe that it was "stolen" from them as a result of the Mexican-American war. Any knowledge of Mexican domestic politics and race relations would reveal to you how stupid an idea this is.
    Your opinion of their goal is irrelevant. Many of them spout that BS and that is the point.

    Contrary to popular misconceptions of Mexicans as a racial group rather than the national group that they are (as with Canadians or Americans), Mexico is a multi-racial country, but the three most prominent socio-racial classes are the whites (primarily Spanish), the Indians, and the mestizos (mixed Spanish-Indian). The mestizos overlap into the other two categories, and the majority can be reasonably classified as one or the other. The predominantly white ones were called "castizos" in colonial times, and are part of the white population today (since everyone is technically a "mestizo" to some degree, since everyone has some degree of admixture). The predominantly Indian ones were called "cholos" in colonial times, and lower-class mestizos that have darker skin and more "Indian" features are effectively treated as Indians, especially if they live in rural areas. The majority of mestizos are predominantly Indian, and the differences between the so-called "pure-blooded" and "mixed-blooded" Indian populations are actually more cultural than racial, something very common throughout Latin America, and present in Anglo America also. The Mestizo Concept: A Product of European Imperialism
    LOL spare us. There is barely a nation on earth that is one race. That does not change what La Raza is or what they believe. They support full unabridged immigration from the south. We all know the vast majority of illegals from the south are Mexican and the VAST majority of Mexicans are indigenous in their racial heritage.

    The Spanish Mexicans are the elite class they are hardly the indigenous people representing the vast majority of the poor who as we all know are the vast majority of the illegal aliens in this country. That is the source of the "Reconquitsa" movement or "Aztlan"

    I can't believe you are trying to pass off this stupidity. That is like trying to claim neo nazis are multi cultural because some are from Germany and some are from Ireland.

    The whites are the upper class and the Indians the lower class, with any middle to upper class Indians becoming "mestizos."
    The middle and lower class are not different races. They both are native unlike the Spanish.

    The Mexican government is primarily composed of whites; the country is characterized by a form of informal apartheid that places Native Americans at the bottom of the totem pole.
    Nothing new here. I just said that.

    Now, the majority of Mexican immigrants are the Indian lower and under classes; some have experienced such intense rural isolation that they do not even speak Spanish. Within Mexico, those Indians have been affiliated with socialist or leftist movements characterized by overt antagonism to the Mexican government, which is dominated by whites of Spanish extraction. The Zapatista Army of National Liberation (named after revolutionary figure Emiliano Zapata), is the most famous, and overwhelmingly consists of Tzotzil Mayans of the southernmost Mexican state of Chiapas, which borders Guatemala and is heavily Indian. Another is the "Magonista" movement (named after revolutionary figure Ricardo Flores Magon), in the heavily Indian state of Oaxaca. These groups have engaged in violent conflict with Mexican military forces in the past, and are certainly still very much at odds with the government.

    It's thus the case that Mexican nationalism is hardly popular among migrant laborers; why would they desire that the government whose jurisdiction they are departing gain authority over the region that they are traveling to, particularly when many governmental figures are regarded as racists unsympathetic to their troubles? "Reconquista" ideology is discussed more often among socially conservative circles sympathetic to white populism than among Mexican immigrants.
    Once again I have to call bull****.

    Look at the La Raza schools and their iterary.

    There is one history.

    An eye witness report:

    During the 2002-2003 school year, I taught a U.S. history course with a Mexican-American perspective. The course was part of the Raza/Chicano studies department.
    Within one week of the course beginning, I was told that I was a “teacher of record,” meaning that I was expected only to assign grades. The Raza studies department staff would teach the class.

    I was assigned to be a “teacher of record” because some members of the Raza studies staff lacked teaching certificates. It was a convenient way of circumventing the rules.
    I stated that I expected to do more than assign grades. I expected to be involved in teaching the class. The department was less than enthusiastic but agreed.
    Immediately it was clear that the class was not a U.S. history course, which the state of Arizona requires for graduation. The class was similar to a sociology course one expects to see at a university.

    Where history was missing from the course, it was filled by controversial and biased curriculum.

    The basic theme of the curriculum was that Mexican-Americans were and continue to be victims of a racist American society driven by the interests of middle and upper-class whites. In this narrative, whites are able to maintain their influence only if minorities are held down. Thus, social, political and economic events in America must be understood through this lens.
    This biased and sole paradigm justified teaching that our community police officers are an extension of the white power structure and that they are the strongmen used “to keep minorities in their ghettos.”

    It justified telling the class that there are fewer Mexican-Americans in Tucson Magnet High School’s advanced placement courses because their “white teachers” do not believe they are capable and do not want them to get ahead.

    It justified teaching that the Southwestern United States was taken from Mexicans because of the insatiable greed of the Yankee who acquired his values from the corrupted ethos of Western civilization.


    It was taught that the Southwest is “Atzlan,” the ancient homeland of the Aztecs, and still rightfully belongs to their descendants – to all people of indigenous Mexican heritage.

    As an educator, I refused to be complicit in a curriculum that engendered racial hostility, irresponsibly demeaned America’s civil institutions, undermined our public servants, discounted any virtues in Western civilization and taught disdain for American sovereignty.

    When I raised these concerns, I was told that I was a “racist,” despite being Hispanic. Acknowledging my heritage, the Raza studies staff also informed me that I was a vendido, the Spanish term for “sellout.”


    Michelle Malkin Blowing the whistle on a La Raza school


    The proof is in the actions not the words. The La Raza schools and their own name, what flag they fly and their public statements exposes the true goal and beliefs of the organization.
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    Re: White Supremacists, Demonstrators square off in L.A.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    It's obvious you have never seen the celebration in Chicago!
    Psh in Boston it is a city holiday. The Irish are everywhere and everything is Irish. The fact we all drink a lot is because the Irish like to drink a lot on St. Pattys Day. But here in Boston it is a celebration of everything Irish instead of the Saint.

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