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    Re: White Supremacists, Demonstrators square off in L.A.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Got news for you...... all of those are fairly high paying low skill jobs that low skill citizens of this country would love to have, if they weren't taken by illegal aliens working under the table.

    (and don’t tell me illegal aliens don’t work under the table….. I spent 25 years in the construction trades)
    In what mother****ing country are these high paying low skill jobs? Please for ****s sake - what COUNTRY are you talking about where digging a ditch is a high paying job? How many ditches are you digging that you could make ANY kind of real living out of the act? This blue collar fallacy that at any point in history cleaning people's toilets was a way to make a living is simply a lie to hide the fact that all the people wanting those jobs are failures in life. Seriously, get an education and you won't have to take somebody's garbage out for a living.
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    Re: White Supremacists, Demonstrators square off in L.A.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    In what mother****ing country are these high paying low skill jobs? Please for ****s sake - what COUNTRY are you talking about where digging a ditch is a high paying job? How many ditches are you digging that you could make ANY kind of real living out of the act? This blue collar fallacy that at any point in history cleaning people's toilets was a way to make a living is simply a lie to hide the fact that all the people wanting those jobs are failures in life. Seriously, get an education and you won't have to take somebody's garbage out for a living.
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    That doesn't mean you are not right regarding high-paying jobs for this group, just that they are not necessarily failures.
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    Re: White Supremacists, Demonstrators square off in L.A.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    In what mother****ing country are these high paying low skill jobs? Please for ****s sake - what COUNTRY are you talking about where digging a ditch is a high paying job? How many ditches are you digging that you could make ANY kind of real living out of the act? This blue collar fallacy that at any point in history cleaning people's toilets was a way to make a living is simply a lie to hide the fact that all the people wanting those jobs are failures in life. Seriously, get an education and you won't have to take somebody's garbage out for a living.
    Let's take your points, and I use that term loosely, one at a time.

    Ditch digging. How are most ditches dug? A backhoe. What does a backhoe operator make? About $14.45 to $21.28 an hour.

    PayScale - Heavy Equipment Operator Wages, Hourly Wage Rate

    Cleaning toilets. Who cleans toilets besides home owners? Maids, janitors and housekeepers. How much do maids, janitors and house keepers make? Between $9.31 and $12.32 per hour.

    Building Cleaning Workers

    Garbage. Who takes that out? Sanitation workers. How much do they get paid? $10.13 to $18.16

    PayScale - Sanitation Worker Wages, Hourly Wage Rate

    Granted, these jobs don't pay as much as sucking off the public tit, but for low skill jobs they ain't all that bad. BTW........ none of the above counts in bennies, just buck per hour.
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    Re: White Supremacists, Demonstrators square off in L.A.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    In what mother****ing country are these high paying low skill jobs? Please for ****s sake - what COUNTRY are you talking about where digging a ditch is a high paying job? How many ditches are you digging that you could make ANY kind of real living out of the act? This blue collar fallacy that at any point in history cleaning people's toilets was a way to make a living is simply a lie to hide the fact that all the people wanting those jobs are failures in life. Seriously, get an education and you won't have to take somebody's garbage out for a living.
    Get an education? For people who don't have a college education those are decent jobs. Don't you think, Hatuey?

    Hey, maybe you could get an education here, if you qualify:

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    Re: White Supremacists, Demonstrators square off in L.A.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Let's take your points, and I use that term loosely, one at a time.

    Ditch digging. How are most ditches dug? A backhoe. What does a backhoe operator make? About $14.45 to $21.28 an hour.

    PayScale - Heavy Equipment Operator Wages, Hourly Wage Rate
    Now you're being intentionally dishonest as usual. A heavy equipment operator is NOT digging ditches which is the point people have made to you. The jobs illegals do are so low skill level that the training involved is minimal. Becoming a heavy equipment operator requires certification that no foreman on any working site would lack on for legal and safety reasons:

    Heavy Equipment Operator: How Do I Become a Heavy Equipment Operator?

    Heavy equipment is a category of machinery, which includes bulldozers, cranes, excavators, forklifts, and many others. Because of the large size and great strength of these machines, Heavy Equipment Operators must be well trained and highly skilled.
    Cleaning toilets. Who cleans toilets besides home owners? Maids, janitors and housekeepers. How much do maids, janitors and house keepers make? Between $9.31 and $12.32 per hour.

    Building Cleaning Workers

    Garbage. Who takes that out? Sanitation workers. How much do they get paid? $10.13 to $18.16

    PayScale - Sanitation Worker Wages, Hourly Wage Rate

    Granted, these jobs don't pay as much as sucking off the public tit, but for low skill jobs they ain't all that bad. BTW........ none of the above counts in bennies, just buck per hour.
    Picking more information as you see fit. The middle 50% of sanitation workers make just slightly above minimum wage at somewhere between $7.25 and $11. With only the highest 10% making above $13.

    Building Cleaning Workers

    The middle 50 percent earned between $7.92 and $11.10. The lowest 10 percent earned less than $7.09, and the highest 10 percent earned more than $13.72. Median hourly wages in general medical and surgical hospitals were $10.31, while median hourly wages in the traveler accommodation industry were $8.75 in May 2008.
    Show me the number of illegal immigrants who have taken over the jobs above. What percentage of the 4.1 million people working in sanitation are illegals? Otherwise you're just cherry picking your information and making up **** as you go. The fallacy continues. But whatever you need to make yourself feel like cleaning up **** entitles you to $15 an hour.
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    Re: White Supremacists, Demonstrators square off in L.A.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Get an education? For people who don't have a college education those are decent jobs. Don't you think, Hatuey?

    Hey, maybe you could get an education here, if you qualify:

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    Why are you addressing me like you're relevant to this forum?
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    Re: White Supremacists, Demonstrators square off in L.A.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Then what are you doing when you are talking to the saints. Are you petitioning/asking them, offering them thanks or praise for something??Are you just shooting the **** with them telling them what you scored on your favorite Xbox game or how your damn kids are getting on your nerves or something else?
    Do you have any idea what communo sanctorum is?

    Do you know the difference between veneration and adoration?

    Funny how none of those synonyms are "talk to", "to petition", "to ask for something" and etc. Which is what Catholics do when they pray to saints. But most of those synonyms fall along the lines of what Catholics do with saints which is worship and idolize, make graven images and ect.
    Which also shows the weakness of using a thesaurus when a dictionary is far more accurate and can more easily pick up the nuances of different usages of a word. There are several nuanced uses for the word "veneration", one of which is: the feeling of a person who venerates; a feeling of awe, respect, etc.; reverence: They were filled with veneration for their priests.


    The Catholic church is nothing more than a pagan religious organization living in denial about the fact that they are pagans.So they are hardly a source to be trusted on what is and isn't paganism.
    If you had actually read the source, you would see it was NOT a discourse on what is and is not paganism. It was about your false claim that we "pray to saints." Once again -- if you dare read it and actually EDUCATE yourself as to what WE Catholics do.


    Perhaps you should learn how to spell ignorance first before accusing someone of being ignorant.
    Sure sign you are losing the argument...

    Why don't you focus on educating yourself on the big issues rather than being nit-picky on something that is of complete non-importance to our current discussion?
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    Re: White Supremacists, Demonstrators square off in L.A.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Do you have any idea what communo sanctorum is?

    Do you know the difference between veneration and adoration?

    Which also shows the weakness of using a thesaurus when a dictionary is far more accurate and can more easily pick up the nuances of different usages of a word. There are several nuanced uses for the word "veneration", one of which is: the feeling of a person who venerates; a feeling of awe, respect, etc.; reverence: They were filled with veneration for their priests.

    If you had actually read the source, you would see it was NOT a discourse on what is and is not paganism. It was about your false claim that we "pray to saints." Once again -- if you dare read it and actually EDUCATE yourself as to what WE Catholics do.

    Sure sign you are losing the argument...

    Why don't you focus on educating yourself on the big issues rather than being nit-picky on something that is of complete non-importance to our current discussion?
    Posts like this is one of the few things I can truly give American Catholics. They may not always know history outside of their religion and relate it to their own, but they know the history of their own religious beliefs up, down and sideways. A battle with a Catholic who knows his/her dogma is one most people are bound to lose. I miss Felicity. Good post ludahai. My wife is a certified Catholic and she approves of it.
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    Re: White Supremacists, Demonstrators square off in L.A.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Why are you addressing me like you're relevant to this forum?
    Just wondering how the ditch is coming along.

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    Re: White Supremacists, Demonstrators square off in L.A.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Just wondering how the ditch is coming along.
    Crunch hasn't replied so it is definitely isn't being dug by somebody with training.
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