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    Re: White Supremacists, Demonstrators square off in L.A.

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    No I didn't. He responded to me suggesting we should not support these neo nazis.

    There was no need to say it because no one on this thread ever said one word of support for them.

    But go ahead and explain why he said that even though no one had defended the neo nazis. What possible point was to be made making a statement of response to an action no one took?



    La Raza aka the race. You would literally have to be a fool not to see the connection but if you need more:

    One of America's greatest strengths has always been taking in immigrants from cultures around the world, and assimilating them into our country as Americans. By being citizens of the U.S. we are Americans first, and only, in our national loyalties.

    This is totally opposed by MEChA for the hordes of illegal immigrants pouring across our borders, to whom they say:

    "Chicano is our identity; it defines who we are as people. It rejects the notion that we...should assimilate into the Anglo-American melting pot...Aztlan was the legendary homeland of the Aztecas ... It became synonymous with the vast territories of the Southwest, brutally stolen from a Mexican people marginalized and betrayed by the hostile custodians of the Manifest Destiny." (Statement on University of Oregon MEChA Website, Jan. 3, 2006)

    "In the spirit of a new people that is conscious not only of its proud historical heritage but also of the brutal gringo invasion of our territories, we, the Chicano inhabitants and civilizers of the northern land of Aztlan from whence came our forefathers, reclaiming the land of their birth and consecrating the determination of our people of the sun, declare that the call of our blood is our power, our responsibility, and our inevitable destiny. ... Aztlan belongs to those who plant the seeds, water the fields, and gather the crops and not to the foreign Europeans. ... We are a bronze people with a bronze culture. Before the world, before all of North America, before all our brothers in the bronze continent, we are a nation, we are a union of free pueblos, we are Aztlan. For La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada."

    That closing two-sentence motto is chilling to everyone who values equal rights for all. It says: "For The Race everything. Outside The Race, nothing."


    - HUMAN EVENTS

    Their form of racism is no different than white supremacists.

    Is every member of La Raza a racist? No. But the message they send is clear. They look out only for their own race and see American borders as an invasion of "their" land.
    LA RAZA is a racist organization because one of their mottos is "for our race everything, for the rest nothing". How could someone not be offended by that? I am and I am Mexican-American.

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    Re: White Supremacists, Demonstrators square off in L.A.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    Its really a shame that white people who want to celebrate their race (for the right reasons) are looked down upon. I feel like this is because whites in general have no unifying culture.

    Now wait. Before you jump down my throat, what I mean to say is that since the white population is so large and so spread out across the world, there is nothing that unites them. Of course, there are cultural norms that unify Italians and Irish and Germans and so on, but not whites in general. This is why its looked down upon.

    However, it seems impossible for whites as a whole to create a unifying culture, because in general, the white "culture" is essentially everything that is "not non-white." What I mean is that Italians have specific cultural concepts, Irish have concepts, Germans have concepts, but the entire white race does not have these things to call specific.

    Okay, now you can jump down my throat.
    I think its a conspiracy as to why we can have hispanic month black history month, etc. And the white politicians support this because its a way to assimilate different colors into a specific color group for the sole reason of keeping conflict here in the states. Not much else, with conflict there is little trust and as long as politicians can continue selling race the people of this country will be divided....as long as the people believe them and they do.

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    Re: White Supremacists, Demonstrators square off in L.A.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    LA RAZA is a racist organization because one of their mottos is "for our race everything, for the rest nothing". How could someone not be offended by that? I am and I am Mexican-American.
    An excellent point but usually lost on some. One has to reframe it such that it's obviously racist for those who disagree to see it. Simply replace "LA RAZA" in your above reply with "WHITE POWER" without changing anything else and we now have obviousness. If it's racist for Whites, it's racist for any other ethnic derivation.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: White Supremacists, Demonstrators square off in L.A.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    LA RAZA is a racist organization because one of their mottos is "for our race everything, for the rest nothing". How could someone not be offended by that? I am and I am Mexican-American.
    And yet, when you actually go check this, it turns out not to be true, just as I suspected. Took me less than a second on Google.

    Tancredo piled on the information, or misinformation, during his CNN appearance, making the charge NCLR’s “logo is ‘All for the race, nothing for the rest.’ ”

    “What he said was our motto is not our motto,” Navarrete said, giving Tancredo the benefit of the doubt that he meant motto, not logo. “It’s not anybody’s motto. He doesn’t really know what he’s talking about if he doesn’t know the difference between a logo and a motto.”

    As for the phrase Tancredo finds so offensive? “It was a phrase that was found in a document from a college student group more than 40 years ago but has nothing to do with our organization,” Navarrete said.
    La Raza blasts Tancredo for Klan comparison: ‘Get his facts straight’ Colorado Independent

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    Re: White Supremacists, Demonstrators square off in L.A.

    Actually, the NCLR primarily works through local coalitions that provide services to underprivileged latinos.

    In a sense, their primary mission is to take care of their own, through:

    "Since NCLR was founded in 1968, the body of NCLR’s Affiliate Network has grown to nearly 300 community-based organizations. Their services are diverse and include charter schools, after-school programs, job readiness and training, English language preparation, homeownership counseling, health centers, and community activities centers, to name a few. In total, these organizations provide services to approximately 4 million Hispanic Americans.
    http://www.nclr.org/section/network/

    They do a lot of good work in the communities I'm familiar with. I'm not sure why anyone would have a problem with them.

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    Re: White Supremacists, Demonstrators square off in L.A.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    And yet, when you actually go check this, it turns out not to be true, just as I suspected. Took me less than a second on Google.



    La Raza blasts Tancredo for Klan comparison: ‘Get his facts straight’ Colorado Independent
    Technically you're correct. La Raza hasn't endorsed such a saying publicly. Which isn't to say the organization or members don't endorse it - just that they haven't publicly done so. Aztlan and MecHa however, I believe may endorse the slogan but then again, I'm not involved in the whole repatriation events and politics of the Hispanic people to take back stolen lands, thing.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: White Supremacists, Demonstrators square off in L.A.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Technically you're correct. La Raza hasn't endorsed such a saying publicly.
    La Raza has never used the statement. The end.

    Aztlan and MecHa however, I believe may endorse the slogan but then again, I'm not involved in the whole repatriation events and politics of the Hispanic people to take back stolen lands, thing.
    Aztlan isn't an organization, it is an ideology about a place. MecHa clearly has some issues. But, MecHa is not NCLR.

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    Re: White Supremacists, Demonstrators square off in L.A.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    La Raza has never used the statement. The end.
    Never is an absolute - one person claiming to be a member of La Raza may have said it at some point whether publicly of which you may or may not be aware. Hence, what I said stands.


    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Aztlan isn't an organization, it is an ideology about a place. MecHa clearly has some issues. But, MecHa is not NCLR.
    Ok. No one's comparing or making a claim one is the other.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: White Supremacists, Demonstrators square off in L.A.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Technically you're correct. La Raza hasn't endorsed such a saying publicly. Which isn't to say the organization or members don't endorse it - just that they haven't publicly done so.
    If they haven't publicly endorsed it, they haven't endorsed it.

    You have't publicly endorsed raping nuns either. Not publicly. Hmmm.

    Now, can we get back to reality, instead of lame, twisted excuses for telling lies?

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    Re: White Supremacists, Demonstrators square off in L.A.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Never is an absolute - one person claiming to be a member of La Raza may have said it at some point whether publicly of which you may or may not be aware. Hence, what I said stands.
    So we can judge an organization by what any of its members may have said now?

    Cool! I have some awesome signs proving all teabaggers are racist idiots!

    Come on, Ockham, don't pretend to be dumb to score points, it's pathetic.
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