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    Re: White Supremacists, Demonstrators square off in L.A.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If it acts like a pagan prays like a pagan then perhaps it is a pagan.
    OK, then, you actually DON'T know what the word pagan means. Glad we cleared that up.

    No, we all do NOT. There is a difference between prayer to God and a plea for intercession. Those are two completely separate concepts. However, since your enlightening me as to how shallow your knowledge of a simple definition like "pagan" is, I would not expect you to understand the complexities of deeper matters of faith.

    But I will say this again for those capable of understanding: Catholics do NOT pray to saints.


    Men you pray to men the Catholic religion has idolized. So it is a blatant violation of Exodus 20:3-4/

    3 You shall have no other gods before me. 4 "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.


    7 "You shall have no other gods before me. 8 "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.
    They are not gods. No Saint is ever placed before or even equal to God or Christ. They are venerated figures of the Church. You don't even ****ing understand what a Saint is so do forgive me if I laugh at the idea that you could even begin to apply scriptures to the concept.


    How is it stupid? Instead of Bacchus the god of wine you have Arnold of Soissons the patron saint of Brewers,Vincent of Saragossa of winemakers,Theobald of Provins of Farmers, winegrowers, shoemakers, beltmakers, charcoal-burners and many other saints. Instead of Mars God of war you have Saint Sebastian patron saint of soldiers and athletes, Saint Maurice patron saint of infantrymen, Martin of Tours patron saint of soldiers and many other saints .
    Yes, they are saintly men. They are not gods.


    Christians only pray to God. So no Catholics are not Christians.
    Catholics pray to only one god no matter how desperately and ignorantly you cling to idiotic ideas you keep spewing forth. You know so little about what you are talking and you eclipse that with a die hard commitment to remaining stupid on the topic that I scarcely see how you could find yourself educated on the matter.


    Again praying to saints is not Christianity.
    Good, because no catholic prays to a saint.

    Just because you do not call it praying and use some paper coated term does not change the fact it is praying.
    Just because you have such a limited understanding of matters of faith that you cannot see nuance and complexity in the intercessions of the saint does not mean you are in the least bit correct. Your ignorance knows no bounds no matter how hard you attempt to come off as having a ****ing clue.

    Pagans pray to things other than God.
    True, so what's your point?

    Catholics are not Christians nor are they even the first to claim to be Christians. Catholicism is something the roman ripped off from the Christians they were persecuting and integrated it with paganism. You are no more a Christian than a Jew(unless it is a Messianic Jew), Wiccan or a Muslim.
    And you know exactly 0 about what you are speaking. You are no more knowledgable about the topic of what is a Christian and what is not than some aborigine in the depths of the jungle unless it is an aborigine who has been ministered to by a Catholic
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    Re: White Supremacists, Demonstrators square off in L.A.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    BTW, we do not WORSHIP saints.
    That's two catholics now against one speaking from ignorance. I would explain to him communo sanctorum but if he can't understand the English definition of "pagan", I find it hard to believe I wouldn't be throwing pearls to swine in trying to explain to him what the latin means.

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    Re: White Supremacists, Demonstrators square off in L.A.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    That's two catholics now against one speaking from ignorance. I would explain to him communo sanctorum but if he can't understand the English definition of "pagan", I find it hard to believe I wouldn't be throwing pearls to swine in trying to explain to him what the latin means.
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    Re: White Supremacists, Demonstrators square off in L.A.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    But he knows better than you what you believe....
    That's kinda what's really pissing me off about the whole situation.

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    Re: White Supremacists, Demonstrators square off in L.A.

    I liked that part - hahahahaha. Most Christians share this view.

    http://www.spiritualworld.org/christianity/how_many.htm

    How Many Christians Are There?

    There are eighty-five main Christian denominations. These denominations make a distinction between Catholic Christians and Protestant Christians. There are 1,026,501,000 Roman Catholics and 316,445,000 ** Protestants in the world. Most Catholics are Roman Catholics; there are 60,018,436 ** in the United States. Protestants in the U.S. number 42,513,059 as of 1997. **

    What is the second largest Christian denomination in the United States? The Baptist Church is the leader with 23,929,356 members. ** Next in numbers are the United Methodist Church and the Presbyterian Church.

    Christian denominations are many and diverse. Some churches proclaim Christianity is the only true religion. Other churches emphasize that only their own denomination — or, perhaps, denominations closely affiliated with them — practice true Christianity. However, many denominations hold that all other Christian churches, in addition to their own, are also valid. Further, many Christians today state their recognition that religions outside of Christianity are also God-given and true.
    As much as I dislike the Catholic church, it really takes a single Protestant to outdo them in terms of saying crazy ****.
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    Re: White Supremacists, Demonstrators square off in L.A.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I just find it absurd that people who pray to/venerate saints can call themselves Christians, most Christians share this view. It has nothing to do with hatred but everything to do with Exodus 20:3-4/Deuteronomy 5:7-8. If you notice I do not jump on the bash the catholic church bandwagon every time some phony Catholic politician gets called out by his priest.
    1. We do NOT pray to saints, we ask them to pray on our behalf, much as we would also ask a friend or fellow parishoner to do the same.

    2. When we "venerate" a saint, it is showing heartfelt respect for the example that person shows the faithful and that we should also learn to apply their lessons in our own lives.

    3. As for "most Christians", you should know that there are nearly three times more Catholics than Protestants and then you have Eastern Orthodox in addition to Catholics and even Protestant sects like Anglicans.
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    Re: White Supremacists, Demonstrators square off in L.A.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post

    Catholics pray to or venerate saints don't they? Which is a blatant violation of Exodus 20:3-4/Deuteronomy 5:7-8. Catholic saints also basically represent something much the same way pagan gods fo. Basically catholics just replaced Jupiter with God and everyone else with catholic saints and even added some of their own, How can anyone not say Catholics are pagans? IF anything is silly it is the idea that Catholics are Christians.
    We don't pray to saints, we ask them to intercede on our behalf. Big difference. Sorry you are getting badly misinformed by your Protestant pastors.


    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patron_saint]Patron saint - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
    Patron saint: A patron saint is a saint who is regarded as the intercessor and advocate in heaven of a nation, place, craft, activity, class, or person.
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    Re: White Supremacists, Demonstrators square off in L.A.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If it acts like a pagan prays like a pagan then perhaps it is a pagan.
    Do you subscribe to the notion that if you repeat a lie often enough, it will become the truth?

    Yes you all do.
    Thanks for telling me what I do.

    Why Roman Catholics Pray to Saints - Prayer to Saints in Roman Catholicism


    I prefer a more authoritative source.


    VENERATION (OF SAINTS): Showing devotion and respect to Mary, the Apostles, and the martyrs, who were viewed as faithful witnesses to faith in Jesus Christ. Later, veneration was given to those who led a life of prayer and self-denial in giving witness to Christ, whose virtues were recognized and publicly proclaimed in their canonization as saints (828). Such veneration is often extended to the relics or remains of those recognized as saints; indeed, to many sacred objects and images. Veneration must be clearly distinguished from adoration and worship, which are due to God alone (1154, 1674, 2132).

    Men you pray to men the Catholic religion has idolized. So it is a blatant violation of Exodus 20:3-4/
    Once again, we don't pray TO them. We ask them to intercede on our behalf.

    Christians only pray to God. So no Catholics are not Christians.
    Catholics only pray to God.

    Again praying to saints is not Christianity. Just because you do not call it praying and use some paper coated term does not change the fact it is praying. Pagans pray to things other than God. Catholics are not Christians nor are they even the first to claim to be Christians. Catholicism is something the roman ripped off from the Christians they were persecuting and integrated it with paganism. You are no more a Christian than a Jew(unless it is a Messianic Jew), Wiccan or a Muslim.
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    Only, we don't PRAY to saints.... I love how a NON-Catholic thinks he knows more about Catholicism than people on here who are practicing Catholics. Sorry, I think the CCC trumps you or About.com as a source.
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    Re: White Supremacists, Demonstrators square off in L.A.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I liked that part - hahahahaha. Most Christians share this view.
    Then again, he doesn't think we are Christians.

    Now, I know you dislike the Catholic Church, but you can't deny that Catholic believers have done many good things over time.
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    Re: White Supremacists, Demonstrators square off in L.A.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Its a Irish holiday or in this country a drinking Holiday associated with Ireland,not Irish pride.
    It's both.
    In a clerical sense it's the celebration of the patron saint of Ireland. Remember that it'll make sense in a minute.


    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Sure some might, but most just see Saint Patty's day a drinking holiday just like kids see Christmas as presents day, Easter as Look for candy,plastic eggs and some cases real eggs day and Halloween as dress up in costumes and get free candy day.We take these holidays to mean different things regardless of their original intent, which is why some see it as Irish pride even though its intent is to celebrate a Catholic saint who brought Catholicism to the Irish.
    It's association with Irish pride and nationality comes from the surpression of Irish culture and identity in the late middle ages up to the 19th century. During which even our native language was surpressed. We could still celebrate our patron saint and it being uniquely Irish became the defacto day of celebration of being Irish in a time when this was not permitted.
    This tradition went on for centuries and was not changed when we got our independance in 1922.
    An alternative could have been the comemeration of the Easter Rising in 1916, the signing of the treaty in 1922 or the ratification of the constitution in the 30s. None were needed as we already had a centuries long tradition in St. Patricks day.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    It's obvious you have never seen the celebration in Chicago!
    Bigest St. Parade? Boston, then New York, then London, - Dublin comes in somewhere between Sidney and Moscow....
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