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Obama: gay partners should have hospital access

Then how could I sue if I did the work and they didn't pay me?

Explain that one

Because you are covered under Federal and state employees rights, not a contract.
 
...and gays have sexual preference. Sexual preference doesn't need to be identical to race any more than race needed to be identical to gender to still qualify its holders as being denied civil liberties.

You have to prove it is more than a choice and you cannot.

Which is completely irrelevant.

Of course it is. The cornerstone of the civil rights movement was descriminating against people who could not help who they are ie race or gender. Nothing like that exists for homosexuality.

Would you agree that gays have more protections in the law than they did, say, twenty years ago?

They have more options yes. That doesn't change the public feeling on gay marriage when put to a vote.

Again, completely irrelevant to whether homosexuals are or are not in fact denied civil liberties. Homosexuals don't have to prove to you or anyone else that they were born homosexual.

So any sexual identification can be brought forth under that same criteria. I don't have to explain why I prefer children or marrying multiple people because you've just claimed I don't have to.

Without moving on to another topic, try to stick to your own logic: why, if genetics and choice are important distinctions for you in this debate, are religious people allowed civil liberties when other people who you claim to have just as much choice are not? You haven't shown at all how they are different, except by moving on to another topic which I have shown is changing (protection of the law).

Because you cannot relate religion protected under the Constitution and recognized as a choice but protected under the law with homosexuality.

If you want to claim religion and homosexuality are the same, please explain how.
 
God Dammit Navy. Most of "the left" was kinda pissed about that commercial as I remember it. How about not pulling out something some asshole does and try and attribute it to the whole group. You really don't want to go down that road, since there are no shortage of assholes on the right too.

This whole playing stupid politics games, trying to demonize by association any one you don't agree with is getting really old. Give it a rest and try and talk about, I dunno, the issues themselves...

There are certain things in life that shall always remain consistant. Sunrises. Sunsets. Summers. Winters. Death. Taxes. Navy Pride.

Would you believe me if I told you that with a little effort, the ol' salt can become a pretty good guy over time?

Hell, and Navy be my witness, NP and me used to go at it like him and DD does now. Realizing the inevitable, I took some time to step back and step away from the turmoil and not too long after that, I started liking the old coot.

Besides, right or wrong, the Chief has spent his life dedicated to the service of our country. So, to me, people like him, and even ol' Murtha, Kerry, can say or do what the hell ever they want to. They deserve it.

I may disagree with him but I will never disrespect Mr. Pride.
 
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Because you are covered under Federal and state employees rights, not a contract.

I know this is hard for you but try to follow. If I sign a piece of paper agreeing to work for a wage, that IS a contract.

A little reading for you:

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-work-contract.htm

Many types of employment require what is known as a job contract or a work contract. Essentially, a work contract is a document that helps to establish the basic terms of agreement as they relate to the employment of an individual by a company. Job contracts generally contain at least some specific information regarding the responsibilities of the employee, and the types of benefits that are extending by the company in exchange for the services of the employee. Here are some examples of information that is normally found within the text of a work contract.

Try again
 
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I know this is hard for you but try to follow. If I sign a piece of paper agreeing to work for a wage, that IS a contract.

A little reading for you:

What is a Work Contract?

Many types of employment require what is known as a job contract or a work contract. Essentially, a work contract is a document that helps to establish the basic terms of agreement as they relate to the employment of an individual by a company. Job contracts generally contain at least some specific information regarding the responsibilities of the employee, and the types of benefits that are extending by the company in exchange for the services of the employee. Here are some examples of information that is normally found within the text of a work contract.

Try again

Can you enter a legally binding contract to buy a car on your own at age 16 from a car dealer when you are not emancipated? No, because you can't enter a legally binding contract.

Can you join the military at age 16 when you are not emancipated? No, you cannot because you cannot enter a legally binding contract.
You lost, deal with it.
 
You have to prove it is more than a choice and you cannot.

Um...no, I don't. This is all really in your head.

Of course it is. The cornerstone of the civil rights movement was descriminating against people who could not help who they are ie race or gender. Nothing like that exists for homosexuality.

Is there something that you've read from Women's Suffrage and the Civil Rights Movement that I have not? If so, I'd be honestly curious to see it myself. If not, then all you are doing is taking facts that you have conveniently (and fallaciously) correlated to support your view against gay marriage.

They have more options yes. That doesn't change the public feeling on gay marriage when put to a vote.

Ah, I see that you didn't find the "they're protected by law" argument working too well for you, as you have now switched to the argumentum ad populum fallacy. That won't work for you either, but if that's what you want to hitch your wagon to, have at it.

So any sexual identification can be brought forth under that same criteria. I don't have to explain why I prefer children or marrying multiple people because you've just claimed I don't have to.

Oh, lord, are you equating homosexuality to incest and polygamy now? You have no mental discipline. Your thoughts and your arguments are all over the place.


Because you cannot relate religion protected under the Constitution and recognized as a choice but protected under the law with homosexuality.

If you want to claim religion and homosexuality are the same, please explain how.

Um, I never said they were the same.
 
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Actually it doesn't since its written into the Constitution. Homosexuality is not.

Gender discrimination is in the Constitution and SCOTUS has ruled marriage to be a right.
 
Can you enter a legally binding contract to buy a car on your own at age 16 from a car dealer when you are not emancipated? No, because you can't enter a legally binding contract.

Can you join the military at age 16 when you are not emancipated? No, you cannot because you cannot enter a legally binding contract.
You lost, deal with it.

LOL I just proved you can in some circumstances.

You may not be able to buy a car but you can get a job, have your roles defined and a salary also defined with a private company ie a work contract.

You lost 3 pages ago. Deal with that ;)

But if you want to keep digging a hole, go right ahead.
 
Gender discrimination is in the Constitution and SCOTUS has ruled marriage to be a right.

Wrong again. Gender specifically not homosexuality. The law was based on racial marriage of one man to one woman. You are dishonestly trying to broaden the verdict to an area never covered.
 
LOL I just proved you can in some circumstances.

You may not be able to buy a car but you can get a job, have your roles defined and a salary also defined with a private company ie a work contract.

You lost 3 pages ago. Deal with that ;)

But if you want to keep digging a hole, go right ahead.

You did not prove anything. The link you provided did not address the labor laws that apply to minors. It was for adults that can enter into a legally binding contract.
 
Um...no, I don't. This is all really in your head.

No it is not. I accept you can't live up to the requirments.

Is there something that you've read from Women's Suffrage and the Civil Rights Movement that I have not? If so, I'd be honestly curious to see it myself. If not, then all you are doing is taking facts that you have conveniently (and fallaciously) correlated to support your view against gay marriage.

Why because I wont allow you to pretend gender which is clearly defined as a genetic trait is completely unrelated to homosexuality in any way shape or form?

Ah, I see that you didn't find the "they're protected by law" argument working too well for you, as you have now switched to the argumentum ad populum fallacy. That won't work for you either, but if that's what you want to hitch your wagon to, have at it.

I didn't switch anything. You want to change the law. I am showing you the will of the people is not with you to change the law. How is that so hard for you to understand?

Oh, lord, are you equating homosexuality to incest and polygamy now? You have no mental discipline. Your thoughts and your arguments are all over the place.

I see you are going to need to be spoonfed. I am equating your lack of specific requirements for changing the law based on your general claims of homosexual acceptance can be expanded to any number of sexual orientations. I wish you would actually stop and think about your argument even if its only for a second.

Um, I never said they were the same.

Then why are you trying to relate them?
 
You did not prove anything. The link you provided did not address the labor laws that apply to minors. It was for adults that can enter into a legally binding contract.

Where does it say it only applies to adults?


Do I have to explain again how underage kids can get a job at a supermarket?
 
Wrong again. Gender specifically not homosexuality.

Last I checked homosexuals were for the most part of the same gender.

The law was based on racial marriage of one man to one woman. You are dishonestly trying to broaden the verdict to an area never covered.

So rights are unequal now? Where is that in the Constitution?
 
The employment laws for minors are different from adults.

Its still a work contract. No matter how you slice it, its a job with a salary, job position and wage agreement.
 
Were they denied before in recent times? I know they used to have this issue. I am just asking, because I don't know, and I know thats not the case in many nj hospitals.

No issue with this whatsoever.

In fact, I suspect seldom were they denied in the first place.
It happens more than you think.

Two of my friends have been denied access to their partners who were in ICU because they weren't married or family.
 
There are certain things in life that shall always remain consistant. Sunrises. Sunsets. Summers. Winters. Death. Taxes. Navy Pride.

Would you believe me if I told you that with a little effort, the ol' salt can become a pretty good guy over time?

Hell, and Navy be my witness, NP and me used to go at it like him and DD does now. Realizing the inevitable, I took some time to step back and step away from the turmoil and not too long after that, I started liking the old coot.

Besides, right or wrong, the Chief has spent his life dedicated to the service of our country. So, to me, people like him, and even ol' Murtha, Kerry, can say or do what the hell ever they want to. They deserve it.

I may disagree with him but I will never disrespect Mr. Pride.

It's not that he is a bad person. He is not. It's not that I don't care for his politics. That only makes life interesting. It's that I get tired of being told what I believe, who is my leader, what I do, and all that, based on some person who is far from the mainstream, and far from my beliefs. It's gotten to be a daily thing, and it's old.
 
I only know of a few isolated cases where this was an issue. It is a nice gesture nonetheless.
 
This is about like passing a law that you won't be pulled over for doing 72 mph on a 70 mph highway.

Obama is grandstanding.

It's like Ricky Martin proclaiming he's gay in 2010, and everyone saying how 'courageous' he is. :lol:
 
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