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    Re: Obama: gay partners should have hospital access

    This is silly. What needs to happen is some form of legislation to give gays the same rights as married couples across the board in every state.

    No, I am against it being called marriage. I know it is just an argument based on semantics, so take it for what it's worth.
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    Re: Obama: gay partners should have hospital access

    A former coworker, Wade, went through this. He had to run home and get his power of attorney papers when his boyfriend, John, went to the hospital very sick and dying. It all worked out, but there was nobody else taking care of John. Families can be that way.

    John died. Wade says they still communicate occasionally which I think is truly wonderful. John calls him on the phone.

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    Re: Obama: gay partners should have hospital access

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    A former coworker, Wade, went through this. He had to run home and get his power of attorney papers when his boyfriend, John, went to the hospital very sick and dying. It all worked out, but there was nobody else taking care of John. Families can be that way.

    John died. Wade says they still communicate occasionally which I think is truly wonderful. John calls him on the phone.
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    Re: Obama: gay partners should have hospital access

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Sigh...

    did you READ the article? Did you READ the Exec order? Do you realize that the EO WILL NOT CHANGE A THING with regard to incapacitated people and visitation rights?

    Whatever...you guys keep patting each other on the back and giving each other high fives...and keep on pretending this wasnt more than a worthless publicitity stunt.
    Obviously, you did NOT read the order. It will change things in regards to visitation with ANYONE. What it doesn't do is alter who can make decisions for the incapacitated, or how this comes about. Now you can keep pretending that this is not accurate because you go through life with blinders on, but that doesn't make you any less wrong.
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    Re: Obama: gay partners should have hospital access

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    If she designates it BEFORE then this is all meaningless. If she had a legal document (and apparently she did have the fopresight to have SOME form of document made up) then all they had to do was file it with the hospital...present it...have a copy faxed...whatever...and this wouldnt have happened.

    Look...I cant walk into a hospital and demand information about my wife without PROVING who I am. WIthin the federal systme I have to have whats called a 'yellow card' to even pick up her prescriptions...let alone talk to a doctor about anything. Nor could I walk in and demand information about a long term girlfriend or even live-in partner. THIS isnt going to change THAT.
    In the case that was cited, the partner did have the information, and had it faxed to the hospital at around 4:15pm, but was still refused entry. She was told that she was in an "anti-gay city and state".

    Lambda Legal: Langbehn v. Jackson Memorial Hospital

    And the hospital allowed other family members in to visit the woman, but still refused to allow her life-partner and their adopted children in. The lesbian woman got to see her partner once for 5 min while the priest delivered the last rights and then at around 11:30pm, but was escorted back with other family members. In between this time, was when other family members were allowed to visit, but she was still being denied entry.

    Now, I do agree with you that it really isn't as much as it should be. I believe that same-sex married couples should be given the same federally recognized legal rights as heterosexually married couples, without needing to get separate paperwork. That should be the main purpose of the government recognizing marriage, so that adults who have agreed to commit to each other don't have to get several separate legal agreements to show it.
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    Re: Obama: gay partners should have hospital access

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    "The White House on Thursday released a statement by Obama instructing his Health and Human Services secretary to draft rules requiring hospitals that receive Medicare and Medicaid payments to grant all patients the right to designate people who can visit and consult with them at crucial moments.

    The designated visitors should have the same rights that immediate family members now enjoy"

    That Florida case would NOT be altered. Kinda TOUGH for a comatose patient to make that designation, isnt it? And where they ALREADY EXIST, they already have legal standing. In a private hosptial or a non-medicare hospital this is worthless. The article ALSO stated that the administration had been taking hits because the gay community had been critical of them for not acting fast enough. So...low poll numbers...low support...do something WORTHLESS and watch people line up to herald the triumph.

    Oh...wait...it gets better...the actual declaration..."may not deny visitation and consultation privileges on the basis of race, color, national origin, religion, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity or disability"...And hospitals did this? Hospitals denied the visitation because the partner was gay?


    CC=Failed, owned, and Pwned.
    No, as usual, this is YOUR failure. The Florida case would have been altered because she was denied visitation based on not being a family member. Her sister WAS allowed to see her because she WAS a family member. Of course, your inability to process this information has been clearly demonstrated. Congratulations. You have been pwned. As usual.
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    Re: Obama: gay partners should have hospital access

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    CLASSIC Captain Courtesy!!! YOU haved been at LEAST AS much a part of personal attacks...but...hey...break out the 'I'm a responsible' moderator' magic decoder ring...

    "Him" is DEFINITELY here...and it becomes more and more obvious every day!
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    Re: Obama: gay partners should have hospital access

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    It's a slow and arduous war that has its wins and its losses, just like most struggles. Sometimes it can seem pretty bleak until you consider that twenty years ago there were no states at all where gay marriage was permitted and even considering the notion was preposterous.

    The rest of your post is gibberish and can be safely ignored.
    So you've got nothing but your emotions to support yourself.

    Got it. Next time just say so.
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    Re: Obama: gay partners should have hospital access

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    No, I am against it being called marriage.
    What if you didn't have to call it marriage? Would that be an acceptable compromise?

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    Re: Obama: gay partners should have hospital access

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    What if you didn't have to call it marriage? Would that be an acceptable compromise?
    No.

    Did you see what I posted above and next to that little phrase?

    Not open for debate as it will derail the thread. My position is clear and unchangeable. Live with it.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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