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    Re: Obama: gay partners should have hospital access

    Quote Originally Posted by 61 Electric Bron-Yr-Aur View Post
    I don't have to prove anything.
    Well yes, you do.

    I could, but I'm not going to be the one to get your head out of the clouds.
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    Do the research yourself.
    Like I said, I did. It revealed that you are completely full of crap.

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    Re: Obama: gay partners should have hospital access

    Quote Originally Posted by 61 Electric Bron-Yr-Aur View Post
    I don't have to prove anything. I could, but I'm not going to be the one to get your head out of the clouds.

    Do the research yourself.

    BTW, I'm not a repub, so I have no incentive to spew canards.

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    Re: Obama: gay partners should have hospital access

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Okay VanceMack, I watched you try and derail this thread for nearly 6 pages now and I've decided to take you up on this challenge. Apparently people in Florida do not have this right:

    Hospital changes policy after refusing to let lesbian to visit her dying partner | San Diego Gay & Lesbian News



    It is also not a right for patients living in states which do not recognize gay civil unions or marriage.

    Same-Sex Marriage: Developments in the Law - Free Legal Information - Nolo





    And this is just a talking point. What voting block do gays constitute at less than 3% of this country's entire population? No. You're simply wrong. This is simply a move which has been decades in the making and it took Obama to do it.. That you can't seem to realize this is a sign of your partisanship.
    Sigh...

    did you READ the article? Did you READ the Exec order? Do you realize that the EO WILL NOT CHANGE A THING with regard to incapacitated people and visitation rights?

    Whatever...you guys keep patting each other on the back and giving each other high fives...and keep on pretending this wasnt more than a worthless publicitity stunt.

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    Re: Obama: gay partners should have hospital access

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Btw, the Florida case that we are discussing. Vance Mack is, of course, wrong in his assessment. This mandate WOULD have altered that situation. The woman's partner was NOT seeking the ability to make decisions for the woman. She was seeking the ability to SIT with her... and she was denied. Hospitals routinely deny visitation to folks who are NOT family... and those that don't CAN. This mandate eliminates that possibility and closes the loophole. Partisanship prevents some from seeing this.
    "The White House on Thursday released a statement by Obama instructing his Health and Human Services secretary to draft rules requiring hospitals that receive Medicare and Medicaid payments to grant all patients the right to designate people who can visit and consult with them at crucial moments.

    The designated visitors should have the same rights that immediate family members now enjoy"

    That Florida case would NOT be altered. Kinda TOUGH for a comatose patient to make that designation, isnt it? And where they ALREADY EXIST, they already have legal standing. In a private hosptial or a non-medicare hospital this is worthless. The article ALSO stated that the administration had been taking hits because the gay community had been critical of them for not acting fast enough. So...low poll numbers...low support...do something WORTHLESS and watch people line up to herald the triumph.

    Oh...wait...it gets better...the actual declaration..."may not deny visitation and consultation privileges on the basis of race, color, national origin, religion, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity or disability"...And hospitals did this? Hospitals denied the visitation because the partner was gay?


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    Re: Obama: gay partners should have hospital access

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I know it's difficult when you are getting destroyed in a debate as badly as you are, but...

    Moderator's Warning:
    Obama: gay partners should have hospital accessYou need to cease the attacks or there will be further consequences.
    CLASSIC Captain Courtesy!!! YOU haved been at LEAST AS much a part of personal attacks...but...hey...break out the 'I'm a responsible' moderator' magic decoder ring...

    "Him" is DEFINITELY here...and it becomes more and more obvious every day!
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    Re: Obama: gay partners should have hospital access

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    CLASSIC Captain Courtesy!!! YOU haved been at LEAST AS much a part of personal attacks...but...hey...break out the 'I'm a responsible' moderator' magic decoder ring...

    "Him" is DEFINITELY here...and it becomes more and more obvious every day!
    This should end well.

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    Re: Obama: gay partners should have hospital access

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Do you realize that the EO WILL NOT CHANGE A THING with regard to incapacitated people and visitation rights?
    Please explain why you think this.

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    Re: Obama: gay partners should have hospital access

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    "The White House on Thursday released a statement by Obama instructing his Health and Human Services secretary to draft rules requiring hospitals that receive Medicare and Medicaid payments to grant all patients the right to designate people who can visit and consult with them at crucial moments.

    The designated visitors should have the same rights that immediate family members now enjoy"

    That Florida case would NOT be altered. Kinda TOUGH for a comatose patient to make that designation, isnt it?
    Um, not if she designates the visitor before she goes into a coma, huh?


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    Re: Obama: gay partners should have hospital access

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Please explain why you think this.
    Because in the case cited the patient was incapable of making said declaration and they didnt have their legal documents available either with them, filed, given to a family doctor, etc. Due to hospital restrictions, HIPAA laws, etc you cant just walk in and SAY I was so and so's partner and should be able to be with them and make decisions for them. ANd IF they actually had those legal documents (which would still be required) there is no indication they would have been denied those rights.

    Look...there is a common theme here Im noting. I didnt say "this is wrong" or "this shouldnt happen"...I said..."THIS act is WORTHLESS". And look at how many people got their nickers all twisted because I dared to speak against the great Obama or something that can be perceived as a gay right (truthfully...I think some you bunch up your nickers on purpose because you like how it feels when you walk...but thats a totally different story and something HIM and I can discuss later...).

    I didnt speak out against heath care. Hell...Ive advocated for SOME FORM of STATE run health care since my first few posts here. I spoke out AGAINST foolish legislation and rampant federal waste...in opposition to a federal government that has ALREADY put us 13.5 trillion and counting in debt...and IMMEDIATELY look at all the people here that were upset because I disagreed with their perceived 'right' to federal healthcare. Its a typical...mindless...kneejerk response to things. And when all else fails...blame Bush...as if I am here defending HIM or that has anything to do with anything.

    I wonder what sucks more...BEING duped...or being a willing participant in being duped...taking it...knowing better..and stiull managing to smile and say "thank you!" Either way...its gotta suck.

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    Re: Obama: gay partners should have hospital access

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Um, not if she designates the visitor before she goes into a coma, huh?

    If she designates it BEFORE then this is all meaningless. If she had a legal document (and apparently she did have the fopresight to have SOME form of document made up) then all they had to do was file it with the hospital...present it...have a copy faxed...whatever...and this wouldnt have happened.

    Look...I cant walk into a hospital and demand information about my wife without PROVING who I am. WIthin the federal systme I have to have whats called a 'yellow card' to even pick up her prescriptions...let alone talk to a doctor about anything. Nor could I walk in and demand information about a long term girlfriend or even live-in partner. THIS isnt going to change THAT.

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