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    Re: Obama: gay partners should have hospital access

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    You are entirely correct. However many younger folk don't think ahead. Many parents disapprove of their adult children's partners, gay or straight. Think Terri Shiavo...
    Yeah, that was a screwy case. Stank to high heaven, in fact.

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    Re: Obama: gay partners should have hospital access

    Quote Originally Posted by Areopagitican View Post
    Please, spare me your melodrama. Since when did you get through the day without a little lie of some kind? The week? The month? And I take it you don't think your part of some oppressed minority.

    I don't have to lie, I am strait. The whole idea that it's somehow ok, you just have to lie to do something you should be able to do already is just laughable, and says something about the person proposing it as a solution.
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    Re: Obama: gay partners should have hospital access

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I don't have to lie, I am strait. The whole idea that it's somehow ok, you just have to lie to do something you should be able to do already is just laughable, and says something about the person proposing it as a solution.
    You don't lie? I think you just did.

    You should be able to say whether a woman looks fat in a dress, or that your friend is losing his boyish good looks. But, sadly, you don't. You lie, homosexuals lie, we all lie. Saying that one particular form of lying is 'just too much' because (I don't know what your logic is, but here's a stab) it ruins the 'moral fabric' of our country is, well, just sad.

    Sure, we can pat ourselves on the back because we fixed this horrible gays lie "probem," but the reality is Barrack "Ferdinand" Obama hasn't actually done anything. Because, from where I stand, all he has done is stop a little bit of white lying. Maybe, perhaps, we can get onto stuff that matters?

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    Re: Obama: gay partners should have hospital access

    Quote Originally Posted by Areopagitican View Post
    You don't lie? I think you just did.

    You should be able to say whether a woman looks fat in a dress, or that your friend is losing his boyish good looks. But, sadly, you don't. You lie, homosexuals lie, we all lie. Saying that one particular form of lying is 'just too much' because (I don't know what your logic is, but here's a stab) it ruins the 'moral fabric' of our country is, well, just sad.

    Sure, we can pat ourselves on the back because we fixed this horrible gays lie "probem," but the reality is Barrack "Ferdinand" Obama hasn't actually done anything. Because, from where I stand, all he has done is stop a little bit of white lying. Maybe, perhaps, we can get onto stuff that matters?
    I did not say I did not lie, I said I did not have to. Notice the rather unsubtle difference.

    It is a problem when some one has to lie just to be able to do something they should be able to do. Lying is not a solution for issues like this. Telling people "don't worry about it, you can just be dishonest" is not acceptable.
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    Re: Obama: gay partners should have hospital access

    Basically,Obama's proclamation will have no effect in real life. It was done to impress Gay supporters who might be fiscal conservatives, but care deeply about Gay rights.

    In real life, if someone is unmarried and conscious, they simply tell the hospital staff who they want to visit them. Most hospitals these days have ridiculously loose visiting policies.

    If a patient is unconscious, then they are most likely in the ICU. Many ICUs have stricter visiting policies. If the next of kin are controlling parents, they can take over, whether the patient is gay or straight, as long as the patient is unmarried.

    It would behoove any unmarried person to obtain a legal document giving power to the person of their choice to be legally recognized by hospital staff.

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    Re: Obama: gay partners should have hospital access

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I did not say I did not lie, I said I did not have to. Notice the rather unsubtle difference.
    Right, of course you don't have to. You don't need to lie to your significant other, or your friends, or your family. You don't need to be on good terms with them. You can just be alone and miserable for the rest of your life.

    The fact of the matter is that you have to lie to make it through life or it's MAD; mutually assured destruction. If you're bluntly honest with them, they'll be bluntly honest with you. Thus, you lie.

    It is a problem when some one has to lie just to be able to do something they should be able to do. Lying is not a solution for issues like this. Telling people "don't worry about it, you can just be dishonest" is not acceptable.
    Not acceptable? If you think that lying is unacceptable, just because it is lying, then you picked the wrong species. If you have another reason beyond "lying is not a solution," just because it is lying; then I'd love to hear it. Otherwise, it's really a moot point.

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    Re: Obama: gay partners should have hospital access

    Quote Originally Posted by Areopagitican View Post
    Yeah, I saw that; wasn't so convinced. My uncle (Authoritarian Left as you can be) has been a doctor for a tad over 40 years. He applauds the decision, but says that the only reason they wouldn't be allowed in the room would be if they were openly gay. If they would, for instance, tell a white lie (like hetero non-married couples do all the time) they would get access.

    But, of course, there was a problem. Ferdinand fixed it. Hoorah. Let's not, well, actually answer any questions.
    Why should gay people have to tell a white lie? Or lie about who they are at all?
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    Re: Obama: gay partners should have hospital access

    Quote Originally Posted by Areopagitican View Post
    Right, of course you don't have to. You don't need to lie to your significant other, or your friends, or your family. You don't need to be on good terms with them. You can just be alone and miserable for the rest of your life.

    The fact of the matter is that you have to lie to make it through life or it's MAD; mutually assured destruction. If you're bluntly honest with them, they'll be bluntly honest with you. Thus, you lie.



    Not acceptable? If you think that lying is unacceptable, just because it is lying, then you picked the wrong species. If you have another reason beyond "lying is not a solution," just because it is lying; then I'd love to hear it. Otherwise, it's really a moot point.

    Aero, I'd have to disagree with you a bit.

    It is possible to live without lying. I made a committment to do exactly that, roughly seven years ago. Since then I've tried my best to let nothing come out of my mouth that wasn't the truth as I knew it.

    That doesn't mean I'm always rudely blunt, nor does it mean I answer every nosy question.

    I think if you find it necessary to lie to people on a daily basis, that some self-examination is in order. It does not have to be that way.

    I'd have to agree with Redress that saying "well just lie" isn't a good solution to a problem.

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    Re: Obama: gay partners should have hospital access

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You know what is really hilarious? That you think you have actually made points.
    What's actually amazing is that you think you've actually countered ANYTHING. You haven't. Like I said, I'll wait for you to make an argument... but I doubt you will actually make one.

    Hey Cap...I just asked Obama...he agreed to work in an executive order making it legal for you to continue wearing pink polka dot thongs. OK...I know it does nothing because it changes nothing...but hey...it will show you that he cares!
    Isn't that adorable. Another analogy that doesn't fit the situation. Let's see if you can argue any more poorly. Come on Vance... I'm SURE you can do worse.

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    Re: Obama: gay partners should have hospital access

    Quote Originally Posted by Areopagitican View Post
    Please, spare me your melodrama. Since when did you get through the day without a little lie of some kind? The week? The month? And I take it you don't think your part of some oppressed minority.
    And that's completely irrelevant. Now they do not have to be dishonest. Just like heteros. What I find amazing is that some of you folks completely miss the point. Must be your bias against Obama, because is certainly isn't rationality at work.



    You have an article, I have an uncle. Anyone would take the testimony of someone who is, well, actually there over some journalist with a dead line.
    Ok. I've worked in hospitals where it's been denied. Guess PLUS the article trumps your uncle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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