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Critics Slam Decision to Name Navy Ship for John Murtha

Chappy said:
Which one is the former Marine who volunteered to go to Vietnam?

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A better question is which one spat on marines and accused them of muder aid terrorist propeganda the refusing to apologize even after he was proven wrong?
 
Chappy said:
Which one is the former Marine who volunteered to go to Vietnam?

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Oh call on me !!! lol I think that I know the answer. Let's see we have a Vietnam veteran and we have a chicken hawk. ok

Seriously now we all know that there are extremist elements within the right wing cabals that will and have demonized veterans based upon partisanship.

Remember what 'they' did to Max Cleland !! The man left 2 legs and an arm on the ground in Vietnam but the Rovian monster pack of hyena's convinced Georgian voters that he was unpatriotic. The swift oaters attacked Kerry not for his policy positions but for his purple hearts.

The extremist segment of the right wing cabals will always try to eleveate a chicken hawk ( E.G.Chenney) to some faux bunger patriot status while they denergrate at times falsley those who they view as the other side.

Believe me Deferment Boy Chenney is as much a chicken as he is a hawk.
 
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Murtha didn't make a mistake. His choice not to apologize was a calculated decision based on the observation it was a "cover up" and apologizing would weaken his credibility more than help it. There was no reason to apologize when marines were offered immunity; at best, immunity means the marines were wrong but one of them was more wrong than the rest and they needed total compliance in order to get him. At worst, it means they want a fall guy. Either way, after immunity was offered, Murtha had no obligation to apologize, because it means there was never a "real" trial, with the whole unit being put on the hot seat.
 
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Morality Games said:
Murtha didn't make a mistake. His choice not to apologize was a calculated decision based on the observation it was a "cover up" and apologizing would weaken his credibility more than help it. There was no reason to apologize when marines were offered immunity; at best, immunity means the marines were wrong but one of them was more wrong than the rest and they needed total compliance in order to get him. At worst, it means they want a fall guy. Either way, after immunity was offered, Murtha had no obligation to apologize, because it means there was never a "real" trial, with the whole unit being put on the hot seat.
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The 'mistake' that Murtha made was to pre-emptively allude to their guilt. If he had said that something bad happened and that their will be an investigation and that he hopes that the MARINES are not proven to be culpable he would still have been critized but not as bad. He was obviously given inside information but he should have ssat on it. Nohing was gained from his premature disclosure.

You make a strong point about the immunity factor.


Yet Murtha s obviously not in any way a "traitor" or "back stabber".
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Cunnigham or Delay are from Harlem?
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Yea, Cunningham and Delay were crooks, but here is the problem - You only want to talk about them, while giving Murtha a free pass. That makes you nothing but a hyperpartisan. Murder would be OK with you..... Well, maybe not, at least not if the culprit has an R after his name. But as long as there is a D here, it's all cool. Right?
 
Morality Games said:
Murtha didn't make a mistake. His choice not to apologize was a calculated decision based on the observation it was a "cover up" and apologizing would weaken his credibility more than help it. There was no reason to apologize when marines were offered immunity; at best, immunity means the marines were wrong but one of them was more wrong than the rest and they needed total compliance in order to get him. At worst, it means they want a fall guy. Either way, after immunity was offered, Murtha had no obligation to apologize, because it means there was never a "real" trial, with the whole unit being put on the hot seat.
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The charges were dropped. What source are you quoting claiming they were not?
 
F107HyperSabr said:
Oh call on me !!! lol I think that I know the answer. Let's see we have a Vietnam veteran and we have a chicken hawk. ok

Seriously now we all know that there are extremist elements within the right wing cabals that will and have demonized veterans based upon partisanship.

Remember what 'they' did to Max Cleland !! The man left 2 legs and an arm on the ground in Vietnam but the Rovian monster pack of hyena's convinced Georgian voters that he was unpatriotic. The swift oaters attacked Kerry not for his policy positions but for his purple hearts.

The extremist segment of the right wing cabals will always try to eleveate a chicken hawk ( E.G.Chenney) to some faux bunger patriot status while they denergrate at times falsley those who they view as the other side.

Believe me Deferment Boy Chenney is as much a chicken as he is a hawk.
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Look what the swift boater did to Kerry.:(
 
F107HyperSabr said:
The 'mistake' that Murtha made was to pre-emptively allude to their guilt. If he had said that something bad happened and that their will be an investigation and that he hopes that the MARINES are not proven to be culpable he would still have been critized but not as bad. He was obviously given inside information but he should have ssat on it. Nohing was gained from his premature disclosure.

You make a strong point about the immunity factor.

Yet Murtha s obviously not in any way a "traitor" or "back stabber".
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I believe Murtha spoke out so soon because he was so incensed by what those marines did. He saw their actions as the direct result of the lack of leadership and abuse of the troops over there. He was outing Bush's lack of a war plan and Rummy's "dumb as a box of rocks" approach.

All vets should be proud of Murtha standing up against the administration and yelling "the king has no clothes".

Murtha was right when he said it and he's right now. When you read what actually happened, from all the sources, it is clear those marines committed cold blooded murder. Too bad the marines are too insecure to discipline their own bad apples.
 
Murtha was a scumbag and a traitor to the military he served in......To pronounce the Marines guilty on the day the incident happened is outrageous....There are a lot of heroes in the military that ship could have been named after...There is a Navy Seal who recently fell on a grenade to save his shipmates lives....He is a real hero.........
 
Navy Pride said:
Murtha was a scumbag and a traitor to the military he served in......To pronounce the Marines guilty on the day the incident happened is outrageous....There are a lot of heroes in the military that ship could have been named after...There is a Navy Seal who recently fell on a grenade to save his shipmates lives....He is a real hero.........
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NP, did you know that Lt. Calley is a jeweler in
Atlanta, Ga, now?:(

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre[/ame]
 
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F107HyperSabr said:
Let's be honest Mutrtha made one sad mistake, but Chenney is a mistake.
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Murtha should have been charged in many shady deals one is considering taking bribes which he did not rule out which was caught on tape........
 
Navy Pride said:
Murtha should have been charged in many shady deals one is considering taking bribes which he did not rule out which was caught on tape........
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OMG... no comment on Cheeney? :doh
 
Navy Pride said:
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Another traitor you lefties love.......
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When did Kerry commit treason?

(Remember, treason has a specific legal definition. It doesn't mean "guy who did something I didn't like.")
 
Chappy said:
Which one is the former Marine who volunteered to go to Vietnam?

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Big deal, he rode a desk for 13 months in Nam...He actually did 4 years of active duty in the Marine Corps and 34 in the reserves........
 
misterman said:
When did Kerry commit treason?

(Remember, treason has a specific legal definition. It doesn't mean "guy who did something I didn't like.")
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When he lied in under oath to a Congressional commitee.....
 
LiberalAvenger said:
Coiud you oiffer proof for that remark or is it only opinion?;)
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No because we have been over his lying a dozen times...It has been documented in DP also......He called our troops in Nam Murderers, rapists and baby killers which was a lie under oath.......


Try as you lefties may you won't hijack this thread.........Its about another democrat liberal traitor called Murtha......
 
Navy Pride said:
No because we have been over his lying a dozen times...It has been documented in DP also......He called our troops in Nam Murderers, rapists and baby killers which was a lie under oath.......


Try as you lefties may you won't hijack this thread.........Its about another democrat liberal traitor called Murtha......
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What do you mean by "we", Navy Pride?
 
Navy Pride said:
This thread is about the traitor Murtha, not Cheney.........
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It's also not about John Kerry but, I don't see that stopping you from lying about him. :roll:

Everything being said about draft-dodging-coward-cheeney is true. :2wave:
 
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