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Obama says terrorist nuclear risk is growing

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Obama says terrorist nuclear risk is growing

Obama says terrorist nuclear risk is growing - Washington Times


The Obama administration is warning that the danger of a terrorist attack with nuclear weapons is increasing, but U.S. officials say the claim is not based on new intelligence and questioned whether the threat is being overstated.

President Obama said in a speech before the 47-nation Nuclear Security Summit, which concluded Tuesday, that "the risk of a nuclear confrontation between nations has gone down, but the risk of nuclear attack has gone up."

The two-day meeting concluded with an agreement by participants to take steps to prevent non-state actors like al Qaeda from obtaining nuclear weapons, either through theft of existing weapons or through making their own with pilfered nuclear material.
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Is this hype or real? Is this any different, than what Bush was doing when he was accused of "fear mongering"?


What say you?
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Is this hype or real? Is this any different, than what Bush was doing when he was accused of "fear mongering"?


What say you?
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Honestly, how many times did you hear the words "mushroom cloud" as evidence that Bush was fearmongering so he could get his way? This is no different, but I suspect to most of the left, it's okay now.
 
Moon said:
Honestly, how many times did you hear the words "mushroom cloud" as evidence that Bush was fearmongering so he could get his way?
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The exact words "Mushroom Cloud"? I don't recall hearing those EXACT words from Bush, but pretty much the whole lead-up to the Iraq war was focused on the fear of terrorists obtaining WMDs. So yes, it was fear mongering on Bush's part.

Now Obama is doing the same thing here, which is not ok to me.
 
The risk that extremists could get a nuclear weapon was real when Bush was president, and is real now. It really doesn't matter what the public thinks, nor who is sitting in the oval office. The fact is, the world is full of nuclear weapons, some of which are not in the most secure of hands. Do we really know where all of the weapons of the old Soviet Union are now? What about North Korea, can we be sure that they wouldn't make one of theirs available? How about nuclear armed Pakistan, is there a guarantee that the Taliban isn't going to take them over? How close is Iran's crazy leader to getting a nuclear device?

The risk is real, and has been for some time. There is no guarantee that we can keep WMD of any kind from the extremist crazies of the world. That is the reality. Being crazy, they would be perfectly willing to bring a bomb into one of our cities and die in the blast in order to go out in a blaze of glory along with a few tens of thousands of infidels.
 
obama's is a fantasy world

he accomplished SQUAT at his stupid summit

he had no CHANCE of accomplishment at his stupid summit

not here in the raunchy world of realpolitik in which the rest of us are required to reside

a non binding communique

nuclear concessions from mexico

these are accomplishments?

our nation is OUT OF WORK

our STATES are bankrupt

we are looking at FOUR POINT FIVE MILLION FORECLOSURES in terrible 2010

a suicidal SIXTY PERCENT increase over awful 09

and obama-ahab is chasing pots of poetry and empty promises in some planet-headed symposium comprised of pie-eyed platitudes

he APPEARS preposterous

appearances ENCAPSULATE politics

juxtapose IRAN, here

contemplate HU's obstreperous posture pertaining to SANCTIONS

ie, ponder REALITY

because your PRETTIFIED president sure can't

staring into the narcissistic reflection of his NUKE SUMMIT

in WASHINGTON DC

summoned by BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA

in APRIL, 2010

it is to LOL!

one of the most ridiculous politico-ops i can recall seeing

he's getting more and more DISCONNECTED from reality every day

he might as well go back to IOWA to sell health care

we got REAL problems, here, in AMERICA, narcissus

quit STROKING YOUR CHIN

and FIX EM!
 
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TheNextEra said:
The exact words "Mushroom Cloud"? I don't recall hearing those EXACT words from Bush, but pretty much the whole lead-up to the Iraq war was focused on the fear of terrorists obtaining WMDs. So yes, it was fear mongering on Bush's part.

Now Obama is doing the same thing here, which is not ok to me.
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Yes, those words, but they weren't aid by Bush.

At least you're consistent. Personally, Bush was right and so is Obama. A threat of terrorists getting their hands on nuclear weapons or material exists, and isn't going away any time soon.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Is this hype or real? Is this any different, than what Bush was doing when he was accused of "fear mongering"?


What say you?
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I guess what it boils down to is that Bush used these terms in order to start war with a country as a pre-emptive strike based on the idea that they had WMD's and they really didnt. If Obama starts talking about terrorist nuclear threats and then actually tries to start a war over it then maybe you'll have a point.

As of right now he's saying it in the context that countries should keep their supplies safe and make it harder for terrorists to get their hands on nuclear material. I would think that this would have a broad agreement amongst people from both sides of the isle, but since it's Obama of course no conservative or republican dares to agree, lol.

It's hilarious. Make a point about the similarities of Obama's stance on nuclear weapons and how eerily close it is to Reagan's and they do everything they can to twist and turn so that they can disagree.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/gener...bama-continues-legacy-reagan-and-kennedy.html

If they find one similarity in a sentence uttered by Obama for completely different reasons, to something that the Bush admin said, well then you're really on to something, lol.
 
He could just be planting a seed so if we ever do get attacked again, he can say "Told ya so."

I don't think anyone ever doubted President Bush when he told us of the terrorist threat. I think the biggest issue people had with him was his path to war in a place most people felt wasn't at the top of the list of priorities as far as terrorism was concerned. The "mushroom cloud" threat, albeit valid, was manipulated to get us into Iraq with popular support. People felt somewhat decieved.

I don't know what Obama's angle is yet.
 
Captain America said:
He could just be planting a seed so if we ever do get attacked again, he can say "Told ya so."

I don't think anyone ever doubted President Bush when he told us of the terrorist threat. I think the biggest issue people had with him was his path to war in a place most people felt wasn't at the top of the list of priorities as far as terrorism was concerned. The "mushroom cloud" threat, albeit valid, was manipulated to get us into Iraq with popular support. People felt somewhat decieved.

I don't know what Obama's angle is yet.
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I hope that his point is to talk other countries into better safe keeping of their nuclear material, something like he has just worked out with Mexico. That's what I think as of right now.

Obama's nuclear summit yields results he sought | McClatchy

"The summit produced a number of concrete agreements, including a decision by Ukraine to dispose of all of its estimated 90 kilograms of highly enriched uranium by 2012, and an accord under which the U.S. and Canada will help Mexico convert a research reactor to lower enriched fuel. Chile also has said it is giving up highly enriched uranium."
 
you said it

absolutely

this president is such a dreamer he really does believe he can affect world wide change by TALKING PEOPLE INTO stuff

LOL!
 
It's hard to know what to make of it. If intelligence doesn't validate the story, then there's a couple of possible reasons. 1. It could be to create a mild sense of fear among the population. People who are fearful are easier to manipulate and control. 2. It could be that he really believes it regardless of what our intelligence community says. 3. It could have the purpose of convincing Americans that we need to stay in the two wars he reportedly wanted to get us out of.

Whatever the case, why would he be talking about bringing down nuclear weapon capabilities for us if the threat is higher? It's not that we don't have enough of them, but what would be the purpose?
 
lizzie said:
1. It could be to create a mild sense of fear among the population. People who are fearful are easier to manipulate and control. 2. It could be that he really believes it regardless of what our intelligence community says. 3. It could have the purpose of convincing Americans that we need to stay in the two wars he reportedly wanted to get us out of.
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The fact that he said it in front of the "47-nation Nuclear Security Summit" and not during the state of the union or something actually directed at citizens makes me think that my theory , that it's all part of trying to persuade countries into working together to reduce the chance of a nuclear weapon falling into the hands of terrorists, much more likely in my opinion.

I honestly have no idea how people read this and automatically pull the "he's trying to control us" card. Not trying to be rude, just curious, but do you base that option upon his previous actions (i know many conservatives are of the opinion that many of his other goals are all about controlling the public, like healthcare) or do you base it solely on the information in the article?
 
TheNextEra said:
The exact words "Mushroom Cloud"? I don't recall hearing those EXACT words from Bush, but pretty much the whole lead-up to the Iraq war was focused on the fear of terrorists obtaining WMDs. So yes, it was fear mongering on Bush's part.

Now Obama is doing the same thing here, which is not ok to me.
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"America must not ignore the threat gathering against us. Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof, the smoking gun that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud. " - George W Bush.
 
The Prof said:
you said it

absolutely

this president is such a dreamer he really does believe he can affect world wide change by TALKING PEOPLE INTO stuff

LOL!
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Isn't that how it works?
 
ask gorbachev
 
Honestly, some people seem to turn blind when a chance to criticise Obama arises. The risk of WMD's is real (I don't believe I have to reference this), and it is a waste of time to debate wheter Obama is hyping this or not.
His talks in the Summit were not ground-breaking, agreed, but at least he is doing something.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Is this hype or real? Is this any different, than what Bush was doing when he was accused of "fear mongering"?


What say you?
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It's all about politics. Obama has to look like he's keeping up with National Defense, so the RW Reps won't say he's weak. Chances of an arab getting hold of a nuclear bomb and knowing what to do with it is infinitesimal... about the same possibility as getting hit by a meteorite.

ricksfolly
 
ricksfolly said:
It's all about politics. Obama has to look like he's keeping up with National Defense, so the RW Reps won't say he's weak. Chances of an arab getting hold of a nuclear bomb and knowing what to do with it is infinitesimal... about the same possibility as getting hit by a meteorite.

ricksfolly
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about the same possibility of them getting into a modern aircraft and flying it into a tall building.

Arabs are just a bunch of stupid camel jockies, after all. What do they know about complicated stuff like nuclear bombs and jet aircraft?

Never underestimate your enemy.
 
"Whether we like it or not, the United States is a military superpower." - Barack Obama this week.

Huh? Whether we like it or not? LOL
 
Erod said:
"Whether we like it or not, the United States is a military superpower." - Barack Obama this week.

Huh? Whether we like it or not? LOL
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Aren't you tired of being the world's policeman? The welfare sugar daddy for countries way on the other side of the world?

I know I am.

But I do like having the biggest stick. But I agree we could learn to walk a bit more softly.

But, whether I like it or not, we are the world's super power. But it sure beats the hell outta living in some ****hole country wallowing in the dirt.

If we have to be a power, I suppose "super" is the best way to go. Like it or not. ;)
 
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