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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    Actually, it is, and it would also ensure survival of the species should something catastrophic happen to the Earth, like a major asteroid impact.

    But going to your point of overpopulation, how many people should be allowed to live on the Earth, and if the current population is greater than that number, how do you propose the population be reduced to meet that ideal?
    Nature has a way of taking care of overpopulation of species, as painful as that remedy sounds. We are a part of nature, ultimately. If we want to avoid that, we need to limit population growth. If we don't, many will suffer.

    As far as survival of the human race? All things must pass. The human race will one day be extinct. Our species' fate is, and always will be, dependent on the health and bounty of the planet Earth.

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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    Nature has a way of taking care of overpopulation of species, as painful as that remedy sounds. We are a part of nature, ultimately. If we want to avoid that, we need to limit population growth. If we don't, many will suffer.

    As far as survival of the human race? All things must pass. The human race will one day be extinct. Our species' fate is, and always will be, dependent on the health and bounty of the planet Earth.
    How do we do that? Be specific.
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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    If it's important, then we need to find a way to pay for it. If entitlements and ridiculous government programs are more important, then I hope we stay on friendly terms with the Russians and Chinese so we can occasionally catch a ride into space.
    A lot of things are important. That doesn't mean they're vital. When we're running a deficit, be it national or personal, only vital expenses should be included in your budget. When we start running a surplus again, that's when we can start bringing the "important" stuff back on line.

    At least, that's how fiscal responsibility seems to me.
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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    How do we do that? Be specific.
    It's not going to happen. There are too many horny people on the Earth. Inevitably we will face widespread food and water shortages, probably in this century.

    Space exploration will do nothing to prevent that.

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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    It's not going to happen. There are too many horny people on the Earth. Inevitably we will face widespread food and water shortages, probably in this century.

    Space exploration will do nothing to prevent that.
    How myopic and depressing. I'm really not sure how you can force yourself to go on knowing it's all pointless and we're all going to die soon.
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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    How myopic and depressing. I'm really not sure how you can force yourself to go on knowing it's all pointless and we're all going to die soon.
    How have people ever existed? Calamity has always been visitor to humanity.

    I believe in the spiritual side of life, and have faith in God. There is more than this material existence, I believe.

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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    How have people ever existed? Calamity has always been visitor to humanity.

    I believe in the spiritual side of life, and have faith in God. There is more than this material existence, I believe.
    I'll give you a hint. It's pretty much accepted that the human race began in Africa.

    I don't live in Africa. Do you? We've survived this long by moving, and being willing to move, to areas that are more advantageous to our continued survival. The next step in that process is pretty obvious.
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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    For what, other than to say we did again?

    Fiscal 2010 NASA had a 18.7 billion dollar budget.

    The National Parks Service had a 2.7 billion dollar budget. The National Parks Service has been underfunded for years now. The budget for the entire Department of Interior, is 12 billion dollars, which manages 500 million acres of parks and wild lands, is still less than NASA, and it has been chronically underfunded for years now.

    U.S. Department of the Interior - About the Department - Quick Facts

    Should we do a better job preserving our national treasures for future generations, or build a base on the moon? If we are prioritizing here, what is more important?


    NASA, the agency known for exploring space, will be spending a lot more time studying Earth in the next few years.

    The Obama administration has proposed a budget for NASA that includes billions of dollars for satellites and other tools to help scientists investigate Earth-bound problems, especially climate change.
    NASA Slated To Receive Billions To Study Earth : NPR

    So NASA will now be Barry's propaganda arm for Global Warming.
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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    A lot of things are important. That doesn't mean they're vital. When we're running a deficit, be it national or personal, only vital expenses should be included in your budget. When we start running a surplus again, that's when we can start bringing the "important" stuff back on line.

    At least, that's how fiscal responsibility seems to me.
    I guess it depends on the definition of vital. I don't think the words "fiscal responsibility" have any meaning in our nation's capital.
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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Ah, to be able to simplify issues to the point that thought is uneccesary....

    I believe I'll wait for Obama's Canaveral speech to weigh in on this, except to say that Bush's half-assed plan for NASA derailed real progress, which now has to be made up somehow. A seamless progression of manned orbital vehicles should have been anticipated and budgeted in the early 2000's, instead we have the shuttle retiring with nothing to follow it.
    How can one person be so wrong on so many subjects? Oh, that's right..... it's always Bush's fault.

    The budget numbers will show that the administration effectively plans to kill the Constellation program that called for a return to the moon by 2020. The budget, expected to increase slightly over the current $18.7 billion, is also a death knell for the Ares 1 rocket, NASA's planned successor to the space shuttle. The agency has spent billions developing the rocket, which is still years from its first scheduled crew flight.
    NASA budget for 2011 eliminates funds for manned lunar missions - washingtonpost.com
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    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

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