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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

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    Looks like the big gun has taken aim at Obama. Obama is a moron.
    So a bunch of people who's jobs could be negatively affected (well I suppose Armstrong is retired) by this are pissed off at Obama for doing it. Color me surprised. It's not like we even have the technology to land on the moon anymore anyway, and it's pointless.
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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Space is the future its the only place left to go, left to explore. There's no time to say "We've gone far enough." There's an entire universe out there, are we going to be content to occupy only a microscopic rock in all of this? And wait until the sun goes super nova, some asteroid takes us out, or we strip it off all natural resources? You've heard of 'peak oil' what about 'peak copper' 'peak iron?'

    One might be tempted to say that "technology will save us" we will development new ways to build what we want with less resources through efficiency, recycling, new materials, etc. But this will eventually taper off, even will all the technology that is and could be, there's only so much that be done with X amount of material. Not to mention growing population, ever increasing energy demand, pollution, etc...

    Now again, one might say "Well in the future, technology will have advanced so far that leaving the Earth will be a trivial matter, but today we have more immediate problems." Firstly, its a simple fact of life that to reach that point of space travel technology, it needs to be researched, it needs to start with something like Sputnik and then Moon missions to get to where you think it will just get to on its own. What if the airplane had never been invented? We'd still have the internet today, the two have nothing to do with each other. While all fields and branches of technology and science are related to each other at varying levels depending on what you compare, there are distinct branches and space travel is one of them. If we do not research space travel, we will not magically reach a point where one can travel into space as easily as buying a ticket for a bus.

    And secondly, today always has problems. When tomorrow becomes today, it will have problems, when next year, next decade, next century, becomes today it will have problems. At point do the problems become small enough that we can start to research and explore space? I tell you that in the minds of many it will never, regardless of how good life is today, whether that today is today or 100 years from now, people will always define their problems in the gravest terms. One only has to look at these forums to see that. Do you think if we magically transported someone here from 100 years ago they would complain about the health care system today, or the political situation, or really anything? Of course not, they'd be living in a dream land. "I only have to work eight hours 5 days a week, and I make all this money!!!" But to the people in the future, regarding how much better we make life and the world, they will complain and gripe and talk about how things aren't good enough, things could be better, things should be better.

    Well I say things are good enough now to justify exploration into space, we are living better than the vast majority of people on the planet. Things will never be ideal in our minds, its only human to always want more.
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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Space is the future its the only place left to go, left to explore. There's no time to say "We've gone far enough." There's an entire universe out there, are we going to be content to occupy only a microscopic rock in all of this? And wait until the sun goes super nova, some asteroid takes us out, or we strip it off all natural resources? You've heard of 'peak oil' what about 'peak copper' 'peak iron?'

    One might be tempted to say that "technology will save us" we will development new ways to build what we want with less resources through efficiency, recycling, new materials, etc. But this will eventually taper off, even will all the technology that is and could be, there's only so much that be done with X amount of material. Not to mention growing population, ever increasing energy demand, pollution, etc...

    Now again, one might say "Well in the future, technology will have advanced so far that leaving the Earth will be a trivial matter, but today we have more immediate problems." Firstly, its a simple fact of life that to reach that point of space travel technology, it needs to be researched, it needs to start with something like Sputnik and then Moon missions to get to where you think it will just get to on its own. What if the airplane had never been invented? We'd still have the internet today, the two have nothing to do with each other. While all fields and branches of technology and science are related to each other at varying levels depending on what you compare, there are distinct branches and space travel is one of them. If we do not research space travel, we will not magically reach a point where one can travel into space as easily as buying a ticket for a bus.

    And secondly, today always has problems. When tomorrow becomes today, it will have problems, when next year, next decade, next century, becomes today it will have problems. At point do the problems become small enough that we can start to research and explore space? I tell you that in the minds of many it will never, regardless of how good life is today, whether that today is today or 100 years from now, people will always define their problems in the gravest terms. One only has to look at these forums to see that. Do you think if we magically transported someone here from 100 years ago they would complain about the health care system today, or the political situation, or really anything? Of course not, they'd be living in a dream land. "I only have to work eight hours 5 days a week, and I make all this money!!!" But to the people in the future, regarding how much better we make life and the world, they will complain and gripe and talk about how things aren't good enough, things could be better, things should be better.

    Well I say things are good enough now to justify exploration into space, we are living better than the vast majority of people on the planet. Things will never be ideal in our minds, its only human to always want more.
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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So a bunch of people who's jobs could be negatively affected (well I suppose Armstrong is retired) by this are pissed off at Obama for doing it. Color me surprised. It's not like we even have the technology to land on the moon anymore anyway, and it's pointless.
    Wait...how did we lose technology?
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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    The universe will still be there when our deficit is under control.
    And it'll still be there when we cure cancer, solve homelessness, build gas-free cars, etc etc etc. There's never going to be a time we when we have nothing left to do.

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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    It will never be practical to colonize other planets. Suns that may possibly have inhabitable planets are many light years away. Colonizing the galaxy is no solution for overpopulation of the Earth.

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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    And it'll still be there when we cure cancer, solve homelessness, build gas-free cars, etc etc etc. There's never going to be a time we when we have nothing left to do.
    It's a lot like personal finances. It really sucks when you have a hot investment tip and no liquid assets to invest. That doesn't mean you charge it on your credit card.

    I agree with you that space exploration is an important field. I do not agree that it is so vital it should be "charged" to the nation's credit card.
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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    It will never be practical to colonize other planets. Suns that may possibly have inhabitable planets are many light years away. Colonizing the galaxy is no solution for overpopulation of the Earth.
    Actually, it is, and it would also ensure survival of the species should something catastrophic happen to the Earth, like a major asteroid impact.

    But going to your point of overpopulation, how many people should be allowed to live on the Earth, and if the current population is greater than that number, how do you propose the population be reduced to meet that ideal?
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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    **** entitlements.

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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    It's a lot like personal finances. It really sucks when you have a hot investment tip and no liquid assets to invest. That doesn't mean you charge it on your credit card.

    I agree with you that space exploration is an important field. I do not agree that it is so vital it should be "charged" to the nation's credit card.
    If it's important, then we need to find a way to pay for it. If entitlements and ridiculous government programs are more important, then I hope we stay on friendly terms with the Russians and Chinese so we can occasionally catch a ride into space.
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