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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Some people would argue that providing healthcare to all is an 'investment' in the health and well-being of citizens, not a mere 'expenditure'.

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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    IMO, Armstrong's concerns touch on a fundamental issue that extends beyond the space program, namely what should be the appropriate balance between fiscal expenditures that are largely expenses (no future benefit) vs. those that are largely investments (have long-term benefits)?

    While it might be tempting for policy makers to embrace expenditures that have little future value (near-term bias is an attribute of human nature), especially as such programs typically have their own fairly sizable constituencies, sound policy should also take into consideration net long-term benefits. For example, what would be the implications for the U.S. if let's say another nation gains a qualitative edge in alternative energy? How about if another nation becomes the leader in space/space-related technologies? Either outcome would do more than impact U.S. living standards/growth vis-a-vis those other states. There would also be fiscal and national security implications.

    In the context of the nation's fiscal challenges, investments on education, science, etc., are not the reason the nation is facing those challenges. Seeking better performance with respect to those investments is, of course, prudent. However, the core problem of structural deficits lies with the tax code/mandatory spending programs. Hence, if the nation is to address its structural fiscal deficits, it needs to focus on the source of the problem. Trimming investments that are not the source of the problem won't accomplish much. However, such moves could cede potentially sizable long-term benefits. Reduced competitiveness in tomorrow's growth industries could translate into reduced economic growth. In turn, that would mean fewer jobs created, lower incomes, less tax revenue, etc., than would otherwise be the case. In short, the nation could wind up saving very little in the short-term (and that misplaced focus could actually delay the necessary task of addressing the cause of the nation's fiscal imbalances) all the while sacrificing long-term benefits.

    In fact, in its recent report on fiscal consolidation, the International Monetary Fund advised that nations reducing expenditures avoid disproportionately cutting investments that have long-term benefit. Instead, the IMF advised that countries focus on the causes of their primary structural deficits.
    let me summarize for you:
    there is no justification for the expenditures required to pursue project constellation
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Instead, the IMF advised that countries focus on the causes of their primary structural deficits.
    i.e. entitlements

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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    let me summarize for you:
    there is no justification for the expenditures required to pursue project constellation
    Wasn't the program involved in developing new spacecraft, new booster rocket technologies, among other things?

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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    All of you doubting the benefits of the space program have no idea the variety of advances and products produced by the space program, do you?
    The bulk of of our scientific advances from the space program has been and will continue to be from unmanned satellites and space probes. The only thing the Obama Administration did was recognize that in fiscal 2011.

    The moon will still be there 5 years from now, or 500 million years from now. NASA could fold tomorrow and that would not change that. However, there are responsibilities of government that will be very adversely affected by being under funded and thus under resourced. That is where our priorities out to be in times like these.
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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    The bulk of of our scientific advances from the space program has been and will continue to be from unmanned satellites and space probes. The only thing the Obama Administration did was recognize that in fiscal 2011.

    The moon will still be there 5 years from now, or 500 million years from now. NASA could fold tomorrow and that would not change that. However, there are responsibilities of government that will be very adversely affected by being under funded and thus under resourced. That is where our priorities out to be in times like these.
    There would be a ton of advances in putting a manned base on the moon. It is not the kind of thing that you cut then restart because you already have the talent assembled and you would lose it.

    Cut entitlements to pay for under funded responsibilities.

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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    There would be a ton of advances in putting a manned base on the moon. It is not the kind of thing that you cut then restart because you already have the talent assembled and you would lose it.
    It was never adequately funded in the first place. The practical scientific advances that have came from studying and preserving our natural world here on earth dwarf those that have came as a result of man space flight. Yet Republicans have underfunded those areas for years now. The point is that if we are just going by bang for our in terms of which programs to fund, man space flight is way down on the list. It is more of a national pride thing than anything else.

    Cut entitlements to pay for under funded responsibilities.
    Translation: Grandma you are going to have to do without your prescription drugs from now on, Neil Armstrong and his NASA buddies need that money for another penis extension.
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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    It was never adequately funded in the first place. The practical scientific advances that have came from studying and preserving our natural world here on earth dwarf those that have came as a result of man space flight. Yet Republicans have underfunded those areas for years now. The point is that if we are just going by bang for our in terms of which programs to fund, man space flight is way down on the list. It is more of a national pride thing than anything else.
    Example? Proof?


    Translation: Grandma you are going to have to do without your prescription drugs from now on, Neil Armstrong and his NASA buddies need that money for another penis extension.
    She'll find another way to pay for them.

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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    There would be a ton of advances in putting a manned base on the moon. It is not the kind of thing that you cut then restart because you already have the talent assembled and you would lose it.

    Cut entitlements to pay for under funded responsibilities.
    some nebulous future benefit
    if you want to justify many $billions in expenditures at this time when we are broke, you are going to have to do better than that


    and i suspect that is similar to the point Obama made when telling NASA he was cancelling the program
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Example? Proof?
    Antibiotics, most cancer drugs, oil, natural gas, coal, virtually all building materials, everything you eat, everything needed for life itself is brought to you by the organisms living on the surface of this planet and the resources that are either on its surface or no more than a few miles into its crust.....this versus velcro, tang, and teflon.
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