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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    So you like big government spending? Then let me call you out as a fake Conservative. Money is tight right now, and the key to the space program is working smarter, and not having the only goal being to put men on the moon again. Been there, done that, and decades ahead of everybody else. At this time, we have the ability to continue our robotic exploration programs, and learn much more than spending untold billions for image building. Face it - We once had a surplus, thanks to Newt Gingrich, and now we have a huge debt. Every program is going to have to be cut back, but that doesn't mean that NASA is going to be second fiddle to any other nation's program. It will be leaner and meaner, because that is how it must be, with the crushing debt America is now facing.

    So, in the end, NASA workers are about to be laid off. OK, that is business. If you are deep in the red, you lay off and cut back. Let the NASA workers find work in the private sector, and stop sucking off the government tit. Isn't that what you would tell any other government worker? If it isn't, then you are not Conservative in the least, but just another big government addict who plays at being one.

    Whatever happened to the GOP saying that we should shrink the government down to a size that would fit in a bathtub, and then drown it? How is that working out for you? It goes to show that we are not defined by what we say, but by what we do. If it quacks like a duck, it's a duck, Mr. Liberal in Conservative clothing.
    Or a plain old fashioned hypocrite.

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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Today, President Obama unveiled his new strategy for the U.S. space program In his remarks, President Obama declared:

    We start by increasing NASA’s budget by $6 billion over the next five years…

    And we will extend the life of the International Space Station likely by more than five years, while actually using it for its intended purpose: conducting advanced research that can help improve the daily lives of people here on Earth, as well as testing and improving upon our capabilities in space…

    …we will build on the good work already done on the Orion crew capsule. I’ve directed Charlie Bolden to immediately begin developing a rescue vehicle using this technology, so we are not forced to rely on foreign providers if it becomes necessary to quickly bring our people home from the International Space Station. And this Orion effort will be part of the technological foundation for advanced spacecraft to be used in future deep space missions…

    Next, we will invest more than $3 billion to conduct research on an advanced “heavy lift rocket” -- a vehicle to efficiently send into orbit the crew capsules, propulsion systems, and large quantities of supplies needed to reach deep space. In developing this new vehicle, we will not only look at revising or modifying older models; we want to look at new designs, new materials, new technologies that will transform not just where we can go but what we can do when we get there. And we will finalize a rocket design no later than 2015 and then begin to build it…

    And by 2025, we expect new spacecraft designed for long journeys to allow us to begin the first-ever crewed missions beyond the Moon into deep space. So we’ll start -- we’ll start by sending astronauts to an asteroid for the first time in history. By the mid-2030s, I believe we can send humans to orbit Mars and return them safely to Earth. And a landing on Mars will follow. And I expect to be around to see it.


    What one received was a hodge-podge of initiatives but no unifying big goal. Instead of a bold commitment to be achieved within a decade, one received an expression of belief that the U.S. could send humans in orbit around Mars a quarter century from now and land there afterward.
    I see your point that there is no inspired goal challenging us to reach for the stars. It is kind of limp, isn't it.

    On the other hand, I have to credit the fact that we are continuing work into Orion, a heavy lift rocket and a continued focus on manned exploration and not just earth observation. Maybe I am being distracted by the hype, when the actual budget is stripping all the auxiliary tasks from Project Constellation to focus on earth observation for global warming. That would be disappointing.

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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    While reading up on this debate, I found this gem from a Republican...

    Akin Against Ceding Low Earth Orbit Capabilities to Russians

    The decision by the Obama administration to gut NASA’s manned flight program does more than jeopardize the long term goals of solar system exploration, the cancellation of the space shuttles replacement will effectively leave the United States reliant upon the Soviet Union to grant us access to low earth orbit. As a member of the Armed Services Committee I am very concerned with that possibility, and as an American I am disappointed by the prospect.
    Bold Italic and underline is my doing.. If the website is not the same as above then he changed it.

    How can anyone take this guy seriously now lol.
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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    While reading up on this debate, I found this gem from a Republican...

    Akin Against Ceding Low Earth Orbit Capabilities to Russians



    Bold Italic and underline is my doing.. If the website is not the same as above then he changed it.

    How can anyone take this guy seriously now lol.
    Maybe it's a prediction.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Its amusing to note that Obama and Armstrong are about as opposite a pair you could imagine in America

    one is a hero, got to where he was purely on his own merit, and truly was the best of the best

    the other is a fraud, second rate and hates America
    I take offense to your slandering of Neil Armstrong, he is not a fraud, he really did land on the moon.

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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    I take offense to your slandering of Neil Armstrong, he is not a fraud, he really did land on the moon.
    TD screwed the sentence structure up on that one.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Maybe it's a prediction.
    LOL, yea right. Excuses excuses excuses. The man is living in the past.
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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Perhaps the largest problem is that the speech contained no unifying goal. Its timelines were so distant that they will not inspire the kind of urgency that transformed President Kennedy's vision into reality.

    Moreover, at the time President Kennedy made his commitment, numerous technologies and capablities necessary for a successful landing on the moon and return to earth had yet to be developed. I would like to think that today, nearly 50 years later, America's technological prowess and innovative capabilities are beyond those when the U.S. committed to landing on the moon in a decade (and achieved it in less time). Articulating a belief, which is vastly different from making a commitment, that man will orbit Mars in the 2030s and land there afterward is not exactly a ringing endorsement of America's ability to master complex problems and develop new technologies over a demanding timeframe.

    One should bear in mind that the successful Manhattan and Apollo projects were extremely bold, had demanding timelines, and pushed the frontiers of technology and knowledge. In contrast, the incrementalist approach following the 1970s oil crises has led the U.S. to stand in place when it comes to energy. Today's speech does not follow in the bold footsteps of the Manhattan and Apollo Projects. It does not represent a meaningful departure from the drift that has gripped the nation's space program under multiple Administrations.
    You are calling for another one trick pony, a gimmick to capture the imagination. We are not children anymore, and it's time to begin the serious work of designing hardware to enable man to explore space on a large scale. These are the boldest footsteps yet, you just refuse to see them.

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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    While reading up on this debate, I found this gem from a Republican...

    Akin Against Ceding Low Earth Orbit Capabilities to Russians



    Bold Italic and underline is my doing.. If the website is not the same as above then he changed it.

    How can anyone take this guy seriously now lol.
    Akin says we should " reconsider cancellation of NASA’s replacement of its space shuttle"
    There is no replacement of the space shuttle, just the Bush approved "spam in a can" module that was despised by the original 7 astronauts. After 30 years of landing on a runway, why would astronauts want to return to splashing down in the ocean?

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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I see your point that there is no inspired goal challenging us to reach for the stars. It is kind of limp, isn't it.

    On the other hand, I have to credit the fact that we are continuing work into Orion, a heavy lift rocket and a continued focus on manned exploration and not just earth observation. Maybe I am being distracted by the hype, when the actual budget is stripping all the auxiliary tasks from Project Constellation to focus on earth observation for global warming. That would be disappointing.
    My biggest sense of disappoint is that the new plan can probably be described as being "better than nothing." Unfortunately, in an environment in which numerous nations are accelerating their space-related activities, "better than nothing" is not good enough if the U.S. aspires to remain the leader in such technologies/capabilities.

    The enormous timeframes also reflect a lack of urgency. There is nothing revolutionary about the effort. Indeed, the large timeframes and lack of firm commitments even to those distant dates, suggests a strategy that is, at its heart, one that will rely on the normal rate of technological change to produce such outcomes. There is no effort to aggressively push and expand the frontiers of technology. There is no expression of a "can do" spirit that pervaded President Kennedy's speech.

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