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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    we have higher priorities right now than worrying about a way station to mars. seriously.

    space exploration is just not essential right now.
    We can do space exploration and search for a cure to cancer. Both are needed. What we don't need is entitlements which absorb 60% of our budget. They can fend for themselves like proper Americans.

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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    If Armstrong wants to pay the cost of sending someone to the moon, then I would fully support Armstrong's position. However, when our deficit is as large as it is, I don't support sending someone to the moon, as it is not necessary for our survival.
    Your concern over the budget rings hollow. Liberals are the kings of deficit spending...

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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    we have higher priorities right now than worrying about a way station to mars. seriously.

    space exploration is just not essential right now.
    Says you. I think aggressive manned space exploration should be a top long term priority for the US. Subsidizing some bum's healthcare or retirement ranks pretty damn low on the list for me...

    Anyway, reading this thread was amusing. Seeing all the liberals talk about fiscal responsibility and deficits. Like whores in Church...

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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by 1984 View Post
    Your concern over the budget rings hollow. Liberals are the kings of deficit spending...
    Quote Originally Posted by 1984 View Post
    Says you. I think aggressive manned space exploration should be a top long term priority for the US. Subsidizing some bum's healthcare or retirement ranks pretty damn low on the list for me...

    Anyway, reading this thread was amusing. Seeing all the liberals talk about fiscal responsibility and deficits. Like whores in Church...
    lol! Oh the irony.
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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    lol! Oh the irony.
    What percentage of the current budget deficit is attributable to NASA? Go ahead, answer the question so I can laugh at you...

    By the way, whether you want to admit it or not, you've benefited immensely from manned space exploration, as has every man, woman, and child in the United States. Can't say the same thing for all the welfare programs the liberals love...

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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by 1984 View Post
    What percentage of the current budget deficit is attributable to NASA? Go ahead, answer the question so I can laugh at you...

    By the way, whether you want to admit it or not, you've benefited immensely from manned space exploration, as has every man, woman, and child in the United States. Can't say the same thing for all the welfare programs the liberals love...
    It doesn't matter what the percentage is. We're running a deficit and you want to spend money on non-essential research.

    You liberal you.
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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    It doesn't matter what the percentage is. We're running a deficit and you want to spend money on non-essential research.

    You liberal you.
    Why don't we drop the DEA, the FDA and the FCC instead?

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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    now explain for us what technological edge will be lost to us, which advancement would have otherwise been afforded by pursuing the constellation program

    this lunar landing was a solution in search of a problem
    While one cannot foresee all the possible spin-offs, the technology required for a reliable lunar lander, among other components of the program, could have broad use for other manned missions beyond the moon.

    In fact, using the Orion for a scaled-down purpose of its becoming a standby emergency vehicle, assuming the radio reports I heard this morning were correct, amounts to a solution in search not of a problem, but a contingent problem, for which alternatives exist.

    In the end, my concern is not so much about the details of Constellation but what seems to be an approach that replaces a chronically underfunded project with what amounts to a potential retreat from the space program. It will be interesting to see what the details are.

    Will there be an overriding, ambitious goal?

    Will there be a commitment to investing the funds required to achieve that goal?

    Will there be a robust assessment mechanism for assuring that the overriding goal is achieved in a timely and economical fashion (unlike the F-35 project)?

    Will the overall approach amount to an increase in the intensity of the manned space program or a decline in its intensity?

    It will be those criteria, among others, that provide insight into the new approach. If the move is really about deficit reduction, it is little more than symbolism over substance at the risk of foregoing substantial long-term benefits. Even the outright elimination of NASA would make an immaterial contribution toward addressing the nation's long-term fiscal imbalances.

    To address those imbalances, fiscal consolidation has to get to the root causes. Politically difficult as it is, that will mean addressing Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid's challenges. Social Security reform is relatively straight-forward (raising the retirement age and then tying it to changes in life expectancy, some increase in payroll taxes, and a transitional period where benefit growth is capped at some percentage less than the inflation rate until the structure is sustainable). Fixing Medicare and Medicaid will involve far more difficult issues, foremost of which will be eliminating health care's excessive cost growth. A situation where national health expenditures consistently increase at a multiple of GDP is not sustainable. Foreigners will not finance that and other fiscal imbalances indefinitely. Resolving the cost issue could well require a fundamental restructuring of the U.S. health care system as it currently exists.

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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Why don't we drop the DEA, the FDA and the FCC instead?
    At that point, it's a matter of opinions. I personally think the DEA, the FDA, and the FCC are more valuable than a space program. Evidently you don't. What is not a logical position is saying that only luxury spending you personally approve of are okay in a deficit situation.
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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    it doesn't matter what the percentage is---LOL!

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