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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    This is research money we're talking about, solar power on earth is on it's way because private industries are doing the research. The govt should be taking the risk on more lofty things, if you want the govt involved in research. Libetarians would argue to return the funds back to the people which is also a good idea.
    Solar panels came from the space program.

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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Healthcare is an ongoing entitlement expense. They should have never passed it if they didn't have a way to pay for it. Now we hear they are going to cannibalize other programs to pay for it? When does it stop? Idiots.
    Why do you have no faith at all in the private sector? Why do you not think that if their is a legitimate reason to return to the moon that someone out their in the private sector will pay to do it?
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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Let me do a slight parody of certain of our posters...

    "OH NO, Obama spends too much money."

    "OH NO, Obama cut spending on a program I like."

    Sorry, you cannot have it both ways. If you think spending is a problem, then spending cuts should be praised. If you think we cannot cut spending on this or that program, you bitching about spending is phony.
    It isn't quite like that. You have it all wrong.

    "OH NO, Obama spends too much money on growing entitlements and ineffective recovery programs"

    "OH NO, because he is spending money on those things, he is going to cut spending on a program I like"

    "OH NO, he isn't going to reduce the crazy amount of money he is spending on his programs"

    "Obama is an idiot."

    I think spending is a problem, spending cuts on out of control programs should be praised. Concern about cutting spending on a healthy program instead should be condemned. I can still bitch about his spending.

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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Why do you have no faith at all in the private sector? Why do you not think that if their is a legitimate reason to return to the moon that someone out their in the private sector will pay to do it?
    Your same argument is true of healthcare.

    Going to the moon provides no immediate return on investment. It is made to be a government program, just like ARPAnet was or the original manned flight to the moon.

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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Your same argument is true of healthcare.

    Going to the moon provides no immediate return on investment. It is made to be a government program, just like ARPAnet was or the original manned flight to the moon.
    Right, as in the case with ARPAnet, we have more than primed the pump for the private sector to come in at this point.

    Insuring those with significant preexisting conditions, the poor, and seniors never provides a return on investment. Hence the role for the public sector. On one hand, if you have had cancer, we can make sure that you can still get health coverage, on the other hand, we could go back to the moon again. Which do you think is a better use of public sector money?
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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Right, as in the case with ARPAnet, we have more than primed the pump for the private sector to come in at this point.

    Insuring those with significant preexisting conditions, the poor, and seniors never provides a return on investment. Hence the role for the public sector. On one hand, if you have had cancer, we can make sure that you can still get health coverage, on the other hand, we could go back to the moon again. Which do you think is a better use of public sector money?
    Going to the moon, and I would want a permanent base established.

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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Let me do a slight parody of certain of our posters...

    "OH NO, Obama spends too much money."

    "OH NO, Obama cut spending on a program I like."

    Sorry, you cannot have it both ways. If you think spending is a problem, then spending cuts should be praised. If you think we cannot cut spending on this or that program, you bitching about spending is phony.
    This is not exactly correct.

    Again, it goes on the fallacy that the conservative position is no government spending, is anarchy, which its not.

    The general conservative position is that there needs to be responsible, lowered Government spending but the government has a number of areas where its constitutionally or rationally bound to act.

    While I agree with your premise to a point, it falls a bit hollow. Its not dishonest to complain about a Trillion dollars worth of spending on Stimulus or the passing of an entitlement program that will cost trillions of dollars as it goes for years and years and years, things you feel the government shouldn't be doing, but then turn around and have issue that in the midst of all this spending you cut something that...compared in scale to the things you're passing...is relatively small and inconsequential when it comes to the cost but is an endevour you think should be in the realm of the government.

    To put another way....

    It'd be like complaining at home when your spouse spends a $200 on a new wide screen monitor and also buys a $20 a month subscription to a video game, but then turning around and being upset when they stop spending $5 a month on the HBO channels that they don't watch much but you do and they try to tell you "see, I'm saving money". Yeah, but if you're just cutting everything you don't care about while spending 4 times as much you're not going to win any supporters or compliments off that. It just shows you're not doing it in earnest but simply doing it for show, and at the expenses of others only.

    I agree we don't have any pertinent reason to simply GO to the moon. I do think if we had an established plan to set up a moon base it could be a benefit to our country for the research potential as we move further and further into this century as well as setting up the infastructure that could allow for the private sector to believably move into this field more thoroughly. I do think the scale of such a thing as NASA mixed with the exploration and information focus of it places it as one of the few things I think would make for a poor business model for the purposes of why it'd be useful. We worry about education and various things in this country and how it is decreasing, that our scientific minds are decreasing, yet we want to gimp a portion of this country that helps drive much of our scientific endevours.

    If NASA cuts were part of a wide grouping of cuts and not over shadowed by two GIGANTIC spending bills then you'd likely not hear a peep from me. What I see though is a person that is spending in ways that make George Bush look like a rank amateur cutting a few token programs that will garner him some votes and thumping his chest about how fiscally responsable the administration is.

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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Heh, watching a post come in is such fun.

    I tried to make my comments clear. Some conservative posters explain points like you do. Nothing wrong with that. Some(the more hysterical ones), simply bitch about the amount of spending. They are also usually the ones who point out that spending needs to be cut "across the board". Go that route, and then bitch when spending is cut cuz you like that program, and it comes across as nothing but partisan bitching. It was not meant to refer to all or even most conservatives.

    Edited to add: I am a big fan of NASA. I am also a believer in balancing budgets when not in a recession. We did not balance the budget when times where good(post Clinton administration...and yes, I know the republican congress gets at least part of the credit), and that makes the recession spending particularly bad at this point, and something does need to be done about that spending. Cutting NASA, while not a happy thing to me, is still something worth doing. When times are better, revenue is up, spending overall down, I hope it is considered for an increase in budget to get these programs back on the road. But now is not a time we can afford it.
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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Going to the moon, and I would want a permanent base established.
    For what, other than to say we did again?

    Fiscal 2010 NASA had a 18.7 billion dollar budget.

    The National Parks Service had a 2.7 billion dollar budget. The National Parks Service has been underfunded for years now. The budget for the entire Department of Interior, is 12 billion dollars, which manages 500 million acres of parks and wild lands, is still less than NASA, and it has been chronically underfunded for years now.

    U.S. Department of the Interior - About the Department - Quick Facts

    Should we do a better job preserving our national treasures for future generations, or build a base on the moon? If we are prioritizing here, what is more important?
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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Let me do a slight parody of certain of our posters...

    "OH NO, Obama spends too much money."

    "OH NO, Obama cut spending on a program I like."

    Sorry, you cannot have it both ways. If you think spending is a problem, then spending cuts should be praised. If you think we cannot cut spending on this or that program, you bitching about spending is phony.
    The flip side of that coin is if you support government spending on anything, then you should support the continued funding of the space program. Sorry, you can't have it both ways.
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