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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Kelzie, this is the first not so smart thing I have ever read in one of your posts....
    IF it was destroyed, it was done so the engineers and scientists could develop it again. Job security....got it now...?
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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    You just proved Redress's point exactly.

    You're okay with the government spending...just on things you want. Maybe other people value welfare and think the space program is a waste of money. Is there any reason why their belief is less valid than yours?
    Not on things I want. On things we need. We don't need to provide food and homes for everyone, that is unnecessary. We do need to have a foundation for the advancement of the sciences. That is necessary much more than trying to cure human misery which is impossible to cure. It isn't about spending on things I want but about what we need.

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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    We can have a permanently manned base on the moon, without the severity of zero-G, that would only need 1/4 (or less - 1/6, not sure) of the lift capability to get to earth orbit.
    But how do we get the payload to the moon?
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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    Not on things I want. On things we need. We don't need to provide food and homes for everyone, that is unnecessary. We do need to have a foundation for the advancement of the sciences. That is necessary much more than trying to cure human misery which is impossible to cure. It isn't about spending on things I want but about what we need.
    We do not need it. We need a military for self defense. We need our roads, police and firemen. Practically any kind of research (I can think of a few exceptions in "what if" scenarios) is a luxury. On what basis do you say we need to build a base on the moon?
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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Wrong analogy. You must not understand Newton's Laws.
    'splain it to us, Lucy.....
    I want to know why hauling stuff to the moon and staging it for future launch to earth orbit is saving any fuel...
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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    I work for the government. I understand completely.
    OK, guess you were being too subtle for me...
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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    We do not need it. We need a military for self defense. We need our roads, police and firemen. Practically any kind of research (I can think of a few exceptions in "what if" scenarios) is a luxury. On what basis do you say we need to build a base on the moon?
    Yes we do. I say it on the basis that one of the most important things for the government to do alongside with protecting its people from criminals and foreign armies. Is to have an establishment for research and technological advancment that the private sector cannot do do to limited resources. The government is the only one capable enough of having the resources for figuring out how to develop spaceships and how to make satellites that can travel through space and spend data back to earth.
    The government is the only institution that can fund projects that will eventually help all of the people in this nation and the world.

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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    Yes we do. I say it on the basis that one of the most important things for the government to do alongside with protecting its people from criminals and foreign armies. Is to have an establishment for research and technological advancment that the private sector cannot do do to limited resources. The government is the only one capable enough of having the resources for figuring out how to develop spaceships and how to make satellites that can travel through space and spend data back to earth.
    The government is the only institution that can fund projects that will eventually help all of the people in this nation and the world.
    In what world do you live on where the private sector has limited resources and the government has unlimited? Maybe the space program will help you find some place like that.

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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    But how do we get the payload to the moon?
    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    'splain it to us, Lucy.....
    I want to know why hauling stuff to the moon and staging it for future launch to earth orbit is saving any fuel...
    Don't call me Lucy.

    Easy, we launch payload to the moon from earth, spending the full amount of lift capability to do so. Then we launch multiple missions from the moon only spending 1/4 each time. This does not work for raw materials that can only be used once, including fuel. It does work for manned missions.

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    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    In what world do you live on where the private sector has limited resources and the government has unlimited? Maybe the space program will help you find some place like that.

    Helping people is nice. It is not a necessity.
    WOMAN, I meant that the private sector is run by corporations with a budget. They cannot spend the amounts of money the government can on research. Buidling a satellite does not only include the materials a lot of work goes into it.

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