Page 12 of 35 FirstFirst ... 2101112131422 ... LastLast
Results 111 to 120 of 349

Thread: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

  1. #111
    The Almighty
    Kelzie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Denver, CO
    Last Seen
    10-21-17 @ 11:47 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    13,534

    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    This is true, but not really relevant -- if this sort of this were a priority, like it used to be, then spending on something less of a priority could be cut to fund it.


    So are entitlements, and in that, I agree that it is time to cut the luxuries, no matter how good they make us look (or feel).

    And, really, its not even a matter of looking good -- expanding our technological base through our own efforts is far better than waiting for others to do it and then paying them to let us use it.
    But what you're saying kinda seems to be "Entitlements are wrong when we're running a deficit, but if there are entitlements that I don't agree with, I want there to be entitlements I do."

    I mean, it seems to be a very natural position to take, but that's the type of thinking that leads to an even worse deficit.
    be humble for you are made of earth; be noble for you are made of stars

    Serbian proverb

  2. #112
    Guru
    Skateguy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Houston/Heights
    Last Seen
    02-07-12 @ 08:01 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    2,571

    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Everybody would like a High paying gubment Job. We can't afford to throw money into space, when people are loosing their homes here. time to tighten our belts and prioritize.
    "Don't be particular bout nothin, but the company you keep"

  3. #113
    Guru
    Morality Games's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Iowa
    Last Seen
    05-24-16 @ 10:00 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    3,733

    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Link


    Looks like the big gun has taken aim at Obama. Obama is a moron.
    Buzz Aldrin thinks Obama's plan is good.
    If you notice something good in yourself, give credit to God, not to yourself, but be certain the evil you commit is always your own and yours to acknowledge.

    St. Benedict

  4. #114
    Banned Goobieman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Last Seen
    03-22-15 @ 02:36 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    17,343

    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    But what you're saying kinda seems to be "Entitlements are wrong when we're running a deficit, but if there are entitlements that I don't agree with, I want there to be entitlements I do."
    No... I'm not.

    I merely reponded to -your- distractive argument that space exploration was a luxury. If you were honest in your assessment that luxuries need to be cut in the times of high defeicits, then you's agree that these cuts need toi apply to entitlements. I dod not see that agreement in your response.

    In any case, none of that speaks to the validity and usefulness of the space program in and of itself, nor to my response that if leadership in science and technology were a priority, like it used to be, then spending on something less of a priority could be cut to fund it.

  5. #115
    Banned
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Last Seen
    11-23-11 @ 10:06 PM
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    3,827

    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    So shortsighted. The Atlantic Ocean was "downright inhospitable" until the technology was developed to overcome it. Now it's routine.

    When a species grows to the point that it can no longer feed itself, moving to a better area IS a matter of species survival.
    Apples and Oranges. Have a good day...

  6. #116
    Guru
    Morality Games's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Iowa
    Last Seen
    05-24-16 @ 10:00 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    3,733

    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Well, personally I'm skeptical of a space program that doesn't include a Kennedy-esque vision, but from what I hear the 10 billion being spent on the Constellation program was going down the hole. Besides, we don't need to go back to the Moon. We need to get to the moons of Mars or Mars itself.
    If you notice something good in yourself, give credit to God, not to yourself, but be certain the evil you commit is always your own and yours to acknowledge.

    St. Benedict

  7. #117
    The Almighty
    Kelzie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Denver, CO
    Last Seen
    10-21-17 @ 11:47 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    13,534

    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    No... I'm not.

    I merely reponded to -your- distractive argument that space exploration was a luxury. If you were honest in your assessment that luxuries need to be cut in the times of high defeicits, then you's agree that these cuts need toi apply to entitlements. I dod not see that agreement in your response.

    In any case, none of that speaks to the validity and usefulness of the space program in and of itself, nor to my response that if leadership in science and technology were a priority, like it used to be, then spending on something less of a priority could be cut to fund it.
    First off, in a discussion of cutting space exploration funding, how in the world is is an argument that space exploration is a luxury that isn't needed when we're running a deficit "distractive." I can't think of anything more on topic.

    Second, if you don't see that agreement, you're just not looking.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie
    When we're running a massive deficit, it is time to cut the luxuries
    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie
    ]A lot of things are important. That doesn't mean they're vital. When we're running a deficit, be it national or personal, only vital expenses should be included in your budget. When we start running a surplus again, that's when we can start bringing the "important" stuff back on line.

    At least, that's how fiscal responsibility seems to me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie
    ]It's a lot like personal finances. It really sucks when you have a hot investment tip and no liquid assets to invest. That doesn't mean you charge it on your credit card.

    I agree with you that space exploration is an important field. I do not agree that it is so vital it should be "charged" to the nation's credit card.
    I quite, quite clearly believe the only the necessities need to be paid for at this point. The importance of space research is subjective. The importance is say, paying for our military hopefully is not.
    be humble for you are made of earth; be noble for you are made of stars

    Serbian proverb

  8. #118
    Sage

    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    New York
    Last Seen
    11-28-17 @ 04:47 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    11,690

    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Just so it is clear, the issue about entitlement spending is not so much about eliminating the entitlement programs, but in placing priority on fixing them. Elimination of Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security is not politically or socially feasible. No serious political leader entertains the idea of eliminating them.

    Having said that, credible fiscal consolidation will require that the imbalances associated with those programs be addressed. Those three programs are the principal driver of the nation's long-term fiscal imbalances. "Almost all of the projected growth in federal spending other than interest payments on the debt comes from growth in spending on the three largest entitlement programs--Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security," the CBO noted in its most recent long-term budget outlook.

    Social Security offers the "easiest" fix: raise the age limit for full benefits and then peg that limit to changes in life expectancy, restructure benefits, and increase the payroll tax. The transition could be greatly faciliated if the retirement age were raised 3 years (between now and 2020--the 3 year figure is something the IMF has mentioned; the IMF provided no timeline over which to raise the age limit), then pegged to changes in life expectancy, and the annual change in Social Security payments was pegged at the inflation rate less 1% (which would allow the passage of time to reduce benefits in real terms).

    Fixing Medicaid and Medicare will require basic health reform that brings an end to the excessive cost growth problem (chronic increase in national health expenditures at a multiple of GDP). Very difficult decisions will be required to achieve such health reform. Nonetheless, it is those two programs that are at the heart of the mandatory spending challenge. CBO explained:

    By CBO's estimates, the increase in spending for Medicare and Medicaid as a share of GDP will account for 80 percent of spending increases for the three largest entitlement programs [Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security] between now and 2035 and 90 percent of spending growth between now and 2080. Thus, reducing overall government spending relative to what would occur under current fiscal policy would require fundamental changes in the trajectory of federal health spending. Slowing the growth rate of outlays for Medicare and Medicaid is the central long-term challenge for federal fiscal policy.
    Last edited by donsutherland1; 04-14-10 at 02:53 PM.

  9. #119
    Banned Goobieman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Last Seen
    03-22-15 @ 02:36 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    17,343

    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Second, if you don't see that agreement, you're just not looking.
    Fair enough.

    And in that case, my initial response remains -- if we found it important enough, we could/would cut someting else to fund it.

  10. #120
    The Almighty
    Kelzie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Denver, CO
    Last Seen
    10-21-17 @ 11:47 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    13,534

    Re: Neil Armstrong, other astronauts call Obama's NASA plans 'devastating'

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Fair enough.

    And in that case, my initial response remains -- if we found it important enough, we could/would cut someting else to fund it.
    Well of course! The same could be said about public health care though.
    be humble for you are made of earth; be noble for you are made of stars

    Serbian proverb

Page 12 of 35 FirstFirst ... 2101112131422 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •