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Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

Lets put it in context of the 2nd...



In order to have a militia, "in good working order", the right of all the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

meaning, by not restricting this right, the state can call forth the militia from a pool of armed citizenry, and if we were to restrict arms from the people, a "well regulated" militia would be much harder to muster.

Understood. I'm thinking this is like the Swiss model?
 
People have the right to own guns. Never disputed that. Do the people get to make their own regulation now?

How would they be making their own regulation?

From the OP:
Tea party movement leaders say they've discussed the idea with several supportive lawmakers and hope to get legislation next year to recognize a new volunteer force.

They're looking at changing the law, so it would be regulated by the state.
 
That's what I think is the sticking point here. The CoC of any force goes from the head of state down to the newest recruit. In an unregulated mailita ,in the modern sence, not the "Working Order" sense, where does that CoC start and end?

I believe they for a chain of command, such that it goes from the Governor to the Commanding Officer of the militia down through to the Lts. and the Sgts.
 
I'm not sure, what exactly is the swiss model?

All Swiss citizens serve a term in the Armed forces. When discharged they are issued with an assault weapon and amunition and can be mustered as part of the citizen army.
 
I believe they for a chain of command, such that it goes from the Governor to the Commanding Officer of the militia down through to the Lts. and the Sgts.

Dosn't that make it state controlled?
 
All Swiss citizens serve a term in the Armed forces. When discharged they are issued with an assault weapon and amunition and can be mustered as part of the citizen army.





Ahh, the difference is we don't have compulsory service, nor do we supply weapons, and our leaders tend to forget we are the militia. ;)
 
Here are some facts to read !!!
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[Well Regulated 

The Random House College Dictionary (1980) gives four definitions for the word "regulate," which were all in use during the Colonial period and one more definition dating from 1690 (Oxford English Dictionary, 2nd Edition, 1989). They are: 

1) To control or direct by a rule, principle, method, etc.
2) To adjust to some standard or requirement as for amount, degree, etc.

3) To adjust so as to ensure accuracy of operation.

4) To put in good order. 

[obsolete sense] 
b. Of troops: Properly disciplined. Obs. rare-1. 

1690 Lond. Gaz. No. 2568/3 We hear likewise that the French are in a great Allarm in Dauphine and Bresse, not having at present 1500 Men of regulated Troops on that side. 
We can begin to deduce what well-regulated meant from Alexander Hamilton's words in Federalist Paper No. 29: 

The project of disciplining all the militia of the United States is as futile as it would be injurious if it were capable of being carried into execution. A tolerable expertness in military movements is a business that requires time and practice. It is not a day, nor a week nor even a month, that will suffice for the attainment of it. To oblige the great body of the yeomanry and of the other classes of the citizens to be under arms for the purpose of going through military exercises and evolutions, as often as might be necessary to acquire the degree of perfection which would entitle them to the character of a well regulated militia, would be a real grievance to the people and a serious public inconvenience and loss. 
        --- The Federalist Papers, No. 29. 
Hamilton indicates a well-regulated militia is a state of preparedness obtained after rigorous and persistent training. Note the use of 'disciplining' which indicates discipline could be synonymous with well-trained. 

This quote from the Journals of the Continental Congress, 1774-1789 also conveys the meaning of well regulated: 

Resolved , That this appointment be conferred on experienced and vigilant general officers, who are acquainted with whatever relates to the general economy, manoeuvres and discipline of a well regulated army. 
        --- Saturday, December 13, 1777. 
In the passage that follows, do you think the U.S. government was concerned because the Creek Indians' tribal regulations were superior to those of the Wabash or was it because they represented a better trained and disciplined fighting force? 
That the strength of the Wabash Indians who were principally the object of the resolve of the 21st of July 1787, and the strength of the Creek Indians is very different. That the said Creeks are not only greatly superior in numbers but are more united, better regulated, and headed by a man whose talents appear to have fixed him in their confidence. That from the view of the object your Secretary has been able to take he conceives that the only effectual mode of acting against the said Creeks in case they should persist in their hostilities would be by making an invasion of their country with a powerful body of well regulated troops always ready to combat and able to defeat any combination of force the said Creeks could oppose and to destroy their towns and provisions. 
        --- Saturday, December 13, 1777. 
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Quoted for [SIZE="4"][COLOR="Red"]TRUTH[/COLOR][/SIZE].  :mrgreen:
 
All Swiss citizens serve a term in the Armed forces. When discharged they are issued with an assault weapon and amunition and can be mustered as part of the citizen army.

OMG assault weapons !!! But arn't those dangerous ? So they spread mustard on thier weapons ? That will ruin the mechanism. The Swiss need to stick to what they know chocolate. Ok some yodelling on special occasions !!!
 
Ahh, the difference is we don't have compulsory service, nor do we supply weapons, and our leaders tend to forget we are the militia. ;)

You have to understand the vast differences between the USA and Swisslandia in terms of size alone but in topography and levels of population. Also consider the fact that Swisslandia is land locked and back when they started this now quaint tradition of sending the little Swiss boys and may Swiss girls home packing heat a hand gun in the hills and mountains was a great deterrent. We would have to issue cannons and I do not mean printers or cameras.
 
You have to understand the vast differences between the USA and Swisslandia in terms of size alone but in topography and levels of population. Also consider the fact that Swisslandia is land locked and back when they started this now quaint tradition of sending the little Swiss boys and may Swiss girls home packing heat a hand gun in the hills and mountains was a great deterrent. We would have to issue cannons and I do not mean printers or cameras.

if 80 million armed people wanted a certain politician dead, how long do you think that politician would last?
 
Good on 'em. Damn Feds think they own the place...
 
I think people should just stop paying taxes.

That is a valid position to take, but don't forget to be ready to wear an orange jump suit over it. Is jail worth it? This is what separates the doers from those who just talk about it. It is one thing to talk about it, but to actually do it could very well spell the beginning of a very hard life. I believe that is why this kind of tax protest will never get off the ground. If you think I am calling you a coward, don't sweat it. I am a coward too. I just sent a check to Uncle Sam last week. Let's all do the chicken dance. LOL.
 
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Since you asked, and none of those using the term will answer the question, and I find it strange, that one poster used the def of regulated, I will tell you all...



WELL REGULATED means "in good working order". it has nothing to do with regulations or restrictions on guns....


The following are taken from the Oxford English Dictionary, and bracket in time the writing of the 2nd amendment:

1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations."

1714: "The practice of all well-regulated courts of justice in the world."

1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."

1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."

1862: "It appeared to her well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."

1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every well-regulated American embryo city."

The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.


Meaning of the phrase "well-regulated"

:prof Also, the term "Liberal education" meant something much different then than it does now. :mrgreen:
 
OMG assault weapons !!! But arn't those dangerous ? So they spread mustard on thier weapons ? That will ruin the mechanism. The Swiss need to stick to what they know chocolate. Ok some yodelling on special occasions !!!

The assault weapon is for national defense, not sport or personal security. Believe it or not its not as easy to get a personal firearm in Switzerland as people think.
And they are not the kind of weapon that you have to stretch the deffinition of "Assault" in order to fit. AFIK they currently issue the SG500 (550?).
 
That funding pays for training. The National Guard are trained and the militia is not.
You don't know that for one thing. They may not be trained the same or for the same mission. Doesn't mean they aren't trained at all. And don't get wrapped around the axle about this, they have a right to form a militia. It is in the Constitution.
 
You don't know that for one thing. They may not be trained the same or for the same mission. Doesn't mean they aren't trained at all. And don't get wrapped around the axle about this, they have a right to form a militia. It is in the Constitution.

That depends on what the mailitia is for.......
 
You don't know that for one thing. They may not be trained the same or for the same mission. Doesn't mean they aren't trained at all. And don't get wrapped around the axle about this, they have a right to form a militia. It is in the Constitution.

Trained is probably the wrong word, because a militia does training. The word that describes the difference between the National Guard and a militia escapes me. The National Guard is not a militia. A militia is formed from citizens.

I never said they do not have that right. I know what the constitution says.
 
Don't play games.

I'm not. A malitia is apolitical and for defence of life and freedom. Attaching it to a political movement makes it a paramilitary organization no different from groups like the IRA etc.

A malitia formed by a political movement is to be feared not commended.
 
I'm not. A malitia is apolitical and for defence of life and freedom. Attaching it to a political movement makes it a paramilitary organization no different from groups like the IRA etc.

A malitia formed by a political movement is to be feared not commended.

WTF is malitia, a tropical disease?
 
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