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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Lets put it in context of the 2nd...



    In order to have a militia, "in good working order", the right of all the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

    meaning, by not restricting this right, the state can call forth the militia from a pool of armed citizenry, and if we were to restrict arms from the people, a "well regulated" militia would be much harder to muster.
    Understood. I'm thinking this is like the Swiss model?
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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    People have the right to own guns. Never disputed that. Do the people get to make their own regulation now?
    How would they be making their own regulation?

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    Tea party movement leaders say they've discussed the idea with several supportive lawmakers and hope to get legislation next year to recognize a new volunteer force.
    They're looking at changing the law, so it would be regulated by the state.
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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    That's what I think is the sticking point here. The CoC of any force goes from the head of state down to the newest recruit. In an unregulated mailita ,in the modern sence, not the "Working Order" sense, where does that CoC start and end?
    I believe they for a chain of command, such that it goes from the Governor to the Commanding Officer of the militia down through to the Lts. and the Sgts.

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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    Understood. I'm thinking this is like the Swiss model?


    I'm not sure, what exactly is the swiss model?
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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I'm not sure, what exactly is the swiss model?
    All Swiss citizens serve a term in the Armed forces. When discharged they are issued with an assault weapon and amunition and can be mustered as part of the citizen army.
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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I believe they for a chain of command, such that it goes from the Governor to the Commanding Officer of the militia down through to the Lts. and the Sgts.
    Dosn't that make it state controlled?
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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    Dosn't that make it state controlled?
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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    All Swiss citizens serve a term in the Armed forces. When discharged they are issued with an assault weapon and amunition and can be mustered as part of the citizen army.




    Ahh, the difference is we don't have compulsory service, nor do we supply weapons, and our leaders tend to forget we are the militia.
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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    Here are some facts to read !!!
    [HTML][Well Regulated

    The Random House College Dictionary (1980) gives four definitions for the word "regulate," which were all in use during the Colonial period and one more definition dating from 1690 (Oxford English Dictionary, 2nd Edition, 1989). They are:

    1) To control or direct by a rule, principle, method, etc.
    2) To adjust to some standard or requirement as for amount, degree, etc.

    3) To adjust so as to ensure accuracy of operation.

    4) To put in good order.

    [obsolete sense]
    b. Of troops: Properly disciplined. Obs. rare-1.

    1690 Lond. Gaz. No. 2568/3 We hear likewise that the French are in a great Allarm in Dauphine and Bresse, not having at present 1500 Men of regulated Troops on that side.
    We can begin to deduce what well-regulated meant from Alexander Hamilton's words in Federalist Paper No. 29:

    The project of disciplining all the militia of the United States is as futile as it would be injurious if it were capable of being carried into execution. A tolerable expertness in military movements is a business that requires time and practice. It is not a day, nor a week nor even a month, that will suffice for the attainment of it. To oblige the great body of the yeomanry and of the other classes of the citizens to be under arms for the purpose of going through military exercises and evolutions, as often as might be necessary to acquire the degree of perfection which would entitle them to the character of a well regulated militia, would be a real grievance to the people and a serious public inconvenience and loss.
    --- The Federalist Papers, No. 29.
    Hamilton indicates a well-regulated militia is a state of preparedness obtained after rigorous and persistent training. Note the use of 'disciplining' which indicates discipline could be synonymous with well-trained.

    This quote from the Journals of the Continental Congress, 1774-1789 also conveys the meaning of well regulated:

    Resolved , That this appointment be conferred on experienced and vigilant general officers, who are acquainted with whatever relates to the general economy, manoeuvres and discipline of a well regulated army.
    --- Saturday, December 13, 1777.
    In the passage that follows, do you think the U.S. government was concerned because the Creek Indians' tribal regulations were superior to those of the Wabash or was it because they represented a better trained and disciplined fighting force?
    That the strength of the Wabash Indians who were principally the object of the resolve of the 21st of July 1787, and the strength of the Creek Indians is very different. That the said Creeks are not only greatly superior in numbers but are more united, better regulated, and headed by a man whose talents appear to have fixed him in their confidence. That from the view of the object your Secretary has been able to take he conceives that the only effectual mode of acting against the said Creeks in case they should persist in their hostilities would be by making an invasion of their country with a powerful body of well regulated troops always ready to combat and able to defeat any combination of force the said Creeks could oppose and to destroy their towns and provisions.
    --- Saturday, December 13, 1777.
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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    All Swiss citizens serve a term in the Armed forces. When discharged they are issued with an assault weapon and amunition and can be mustered as part of the citizen army.
    OMG assault weapons !!! But arn't those dangerous ? So they spread mustard on thier weapons ? That will ruin the mechanism. The Swiss need to stick to what they know chocolate. Ok some yodelling on special occasions !!!
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