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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Since you asked, and none of those using the term will answer the question, and I find it strange, that one poster used the def of regulated, I will tell you all...



    WELL REGULATED means "in good working order". it has nothing to do with regulations or restrictions on guns....


    The following are taken from the Oxford English Dictionary, and bracket in time the writing of the 2nd amendment:

    1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations."

    1714: "The practice of all well-regulated courts of justice in the world."

    1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."

    1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."

    1862: "It appeared to her well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."

    1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every well-regulated American embryo city."

    The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.


    Meaning of the phrase "well-regulated"
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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    I think people should just stop paying taxes.

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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Since you asked, and none of those using the term will answer the question, and I find it strange, that one poster used the def of regulated, I will tell you all...



    WELL REGULATED means "in good working order". it has nothing to do with regulations or restrictions on guns....


    The following are taken from the Oxford English Dictionary, and bracket in time the writing of the 2nd amendment:

    1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations."

    1714: "The practice of all well-regulated courts of justice in the world."

    1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."

    1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."

    1862: "It appeared to her well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."

    1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every well-regulated American embryo city."

    The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.


    Meaning of the phrase "well-regulated"
    So define "in good working order" as it refers to a malitia...

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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Basically, the state must call the shots, as it were, in terms of what the militia does. The second these people do something unsanctioned they become a militant criminal organization.

    edit: the writers of this thing needed standardized grammar!
    I thought that was called the National Guard?

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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    So define "in good working order" as it refers to a malitia...
    • Chain of command
    • Form ranks and do drill
    • Good physical conditioning
    • Weapons familiarization
    • Good shooting skills
    • Basic tactics

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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    So define "in good working order" as it refers to a malitia...



    Lets put it in context of the 2nd...



    In order to have a militia, "in good working order", the right of all the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

    meaning, by not restricting this right, the state can call forth the militia from a pool of armed citizenry, and if we were to restrict arms from the people, a "well regulated" militia would be much harder to muster.
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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    I thought that was called the National Guard?
    There is a difference between the National Guard, which is an official military unit, and a militia, which is an amateur organization of people from the community.

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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    There is a difference between the National Guard, which is an official military unit, and a militia, which is an amateur organization of people from the community.
    The only different is money. They are merely trained men who wear a uniform. They are not superhuman, aliens from outer space or imported from another country. Just Americans trained with govt funding. I think people get confused over people coming out of their homes with guns in hand to protect the state, and it looks amateurish compared to the DoD. Well the only difference is funding and control. Cut funding and DoD goes away.
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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    • Chain of command
    • Form ranks and do drill
    • Good physical conditioning
    • Weapons familiarization
    • Good shooting skills
    • Basic tactics
    That's what I think is the sticking point here. The CoC of any force goes from the head of state down to the newest recruit. In an unregulated mailita ,in the modern sence, not the "Working Order" sense, where does that CoC start and end?
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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The only different is money. They are merely trained men who wear a uniform. They are not superhuman, aliens from outer space or imported from another country. Just Americans trained with govt funding. I think people get confused over people coming out of their homes with guns in hand to protect the state, and it looks amateurish compared to the DoD. Well the only difference is funding and control. Cut funding and DoD goes away.
    That funding pays for training. The National Guard are trained and the militia is not.

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