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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    True that some judgment must always be made. I look at it this way, home invasions are very rare, more so than kids being killed.
    So 2005 there were about 59,231 home robberies. Almost half of all robberies are done with firearms. So tell me, how is 59,231 rarer than the ~200 accidental deaths a year?

    2008 numbers are 72,022 home robberies. These are defined as violent crimes.
    http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2008/offe...e/robbery.html
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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's why I've asked you for the numbers. You claim it is a more serious problem. I gave kids. If you give home invasions, we can compare.



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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I was just doing a search to find the time a home invasion takes, in regard to bed side weapons. Appears most are done the way you speak of, by knocking on the door. Not sure having a weapon in your bedside table would help.

    Still, not opening the door is also listed as a action to take. Having dogs seems to remove you from the list of likely victims. Not sure having a gun is the best method.
    They never came back, nor did any of their friends.

    I’ll keep my guns close and loaded thank you.
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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's why I've asked you for the numbers. You claim it is a more serious problem. I gave kids. If you give home invasions, we can compare.
    I gave you the numbers from the DOJ on home invasion.... here they are again.

    Home Invasion Facts:
    o According to a United States Department of Justice report:
    § 38% of assaults & 60% of rapes occur during home
    invasions.
    § 1 of every 5 homes will experience a breakin
    or home
    invasion. That's over 2,000,000 homes!
    o According to Statistics Canada, there has been an average of
    289,200 home invasions annually over the last 5 years.
    o Statistically, there are over 8,000 home invasions per day in
    North America
    o According to Statistics U.S.A., there was an average of 3,600,000
    home invasions annually between 1994 and 2000.
    http://www.lockjawsecurity.com/pdf/L...gFactSheet.pdf

    Now, how many kids did you say were killed by guns each year?
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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    I gave you the numbers from the DOJ on home invasion.... here they are again.



    http://www.lockjawsecurity.com/pdf/L...gFactSheet.pdf

    Now, how many kids did you say were killed by guns each year?
    I can't get your sheet up to investigate, but have found very little on the subject myself:

    Few statistics are available on home invasion as a crime, because it is not technically a specific crime in most states. Persons charged with "home invasion" are actually charged with robbery, kidnapping, homicide, rape, or assault charges. But law enforcement has been seeing the increase in "home-invasion robberies" since at least June 1995, when "home-invasion robberies" were the topic of the cover story of The FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin. They state the crime is considered an alternative to bank or convenience store robberies, which are getting harder to pull off cleanly due to technological advances in security. In this same article, the FBI recommends educating the public about home invasion. Before the term "home invasion" came in use, the term "hot burglary" was often used in the literature. Early references also use "burglary of occupied homes"[1] and "burglar striking an occupied residence"[2]

    It is commonly held belief that home invasion is a minimal threat to the average person and usually involves invaders who have a personal knowledge of the home and its owner, however the factual basis of this belief is uncertain.[citation needed] Gated communities are promoted by property developers as a way of being safe from this crime.

    According to an Oxford English Dictionary (OED) draft entry for March 2004, the first published usage of the term in its modern sense is a November 1973 article in the Chicago Sun-Times. The OED also cites a use of the term in the 1989 novel Toxic Shock (ISBN 0-575-04372-5) by Sara Paretsky.

    Asian Americans, particularly Vietnamese Americans and others of Southeast Asian descent, have been disproportionately represented among victims and perpetrators of home-invasion robberies.[3

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_invasion]Home invasion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    Again, an overview to the problem with statistics. our souce may want to make it sound worse than it is, but without being able to view it and examine it, I can't say.

    This sources says 8,000 in all of north America:

    * 38 percent of assaults and 60 percent of rapes occur during home invasions
    * One in five homes undergoes a home invasion or break-in
    * There are more than 8,000 home invasions every day in North America
    * 50 percent of home invasions involve the use of a weapon; the most common weapons used are knives or other cutting instruments
    * In 48 percent of home invasions, victims sustain physical injuries
    * Victims age 60 or older make up 17 percent of home invasion victims
    * In 68 percent of home invasions, victims and the accused are strangers; in 11 percent of these cases, victims and the accused are friends, business associates, or family

    Home Invasion Statistics | SuperTips by Superpages.com

    That's a good deal smaller than your number.

    I would like to see a link to the actual US statistics to see how they are coming up with this number.

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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I can't get your sheet up to investigate, but have found very little on the subject myself:

    Few statistics are available on home invasion as a crime, because it is not technically a specific crime in most states. Persons charged with "home invasion" are actually charged with robbery, kidnapping, homicide, rape, or assault charges. But law enforcement has been seeing the increase in "home-invasion robberies" since at least June 1995, when "home-invasion robberies" were the topic of the cover story of The FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin. They state the crime is considered an alternative to bank or convenience store robberies, which are getting harder to pull off cleanly due to technological advances in security. In this same article, the FBI recommends educating the public about home invasion. Before the term "home invasion" came in use, the term "hot burglary" was often used in the literature. Early references also use "burglary of occupied homes"[1] and "burglar striking an occupied residence"[2]

    It is commonly held belief that home invasion is a minimal threat to the average person and usually involves invaders who have a personal knowledge of the home and its owner, however the factual basis of this belief is uncertain.[citation needed] Gated communities are promoted by property developers as a way of being safe from this crime.

    According to an Oxford English Dictionary (OED) draft entry for March 2004, the first published usage of the term in its modern sense is a November 1973 article in the Chicago Sun-Times. The OED also cites a use of the term in the 1989 novel Toxic Shock (ISBN 0-575-04372-5) by Sara Paretsky.

    Asian Americans, particularly Vietnamese Americans and others of Southeast Asian descent, have been disproportionately represented among victims and perpetrators of home-invasion robberies.[3

    Home invasion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Again, an overview to the problem with statistics. our souce may want to make it sound worse than it is, but without being able to view it and examine it, I can't say.

    This sources says 8,000 in all of north America:

    * 38 percent of assaults and 60 percent of rapes occur during home invasions
    * One in five homes undergoes a home invasion or break-in
    * There are more than 8,000 home invasions every day in North America
    * 50 percent of home invasions involve the use of a weapon; the most common weapons used are knives or other cutting instruments
    * In 48 percent of home invasions, victims sustain physical injuries
    * Victims age 60 or older make up 17 percent of home invasion victims
    * In 68 percent of home invasions, victims and the accused are strangers; in 11 percent of these cases, victims and the accused are friends, business associates, or family

    Home Invasion Statistics | SuperTips by Superpages.com

    That's a good deal smaller than your number.

    I would like to see a link to the actual US statistics to see how they are coming up with this number.
    OK.. we'll use your number, so, which is larger..... home invasion or children killed by guns?
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    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    THe USA actually has less home invasion robberies compared to burglaries (ie Breaking into empty homes) in terms of proportions than many other countries. Why, because even though robberies net more money, they also increase dramatically the chances of being apprehended or killed. Compare that to countries where the citizenry is disarmed or not allowed to shoot criminals. Home invasions went way up in England after handguns were banned and highly publicized cases jailed homeowners for shooting thugs.

    Polls of people doing time for hard core crime indicate that mopes are more afraid of being shot by homeowners than they are of cops and prosecutors.



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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    OK.. we'll use your number, so, which is larger..... home invasion or children killed by guns?
    Actually, what I said was the number was in doubt. My number isn't the number for the US, but all of north America.







    NORTH AMERICA
    COUNTRIES (23)

    Map of North America Description North America, the planet's 3rd largest continent, includes (23) countries and dozens of small island possessions and territories - mostly in the Caribbean. It contains all Caribbean and Central America countries, Canada, Mexico and the United States of America - three of the largest countries on the planet, as well as Greenland - the world's largest island.

    http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/na.htm

    So, how many of the 8000 are in the US? It matters. The other link says we really don't have the numbers. So, I'm looking for something that is verifiable and on point. If I find something, I'll post it. If you do, I would expect the same.
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