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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

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    We drill it. it doesnt.
    I'd have to see that.

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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    BTW, did you have the 12 gauge at your bedside? Or did you have to get it. If so, how long did it take you?
    It was beside the front door, loaded by the way, (safety on, empty chamber.... hence that distinctive sound. ).

    There was a knock at the door that I didn't recognize, I looked through the peep hole and didn't recognize the two dudes..... I read lips and saw the guy closest to the door tell his buddy, "don't worry, I can take him".

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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    It was beside the front door, loaded by the way, (safety on, empty chamber.... hence that distinctive sound. ).

    There was a knock at the door that I didn't recognize, I looked through the peep hole and didn't recognize the two dudes..... I read lips and saw the guy closest to the door tell his buddy, "don't worry, I can take him".

    That's the rest of the story.
    I was just doing a search to find the time a home invasion takes, in regard to bed side weapons. Appears most are done the way you speak of, by knocking on the door. Not sure having a weapon in your bedside table would help.

    Still, not opening the door is also listed as a action to take. Having dogs seems to remove you from the list of likely victims. Not sure having a gun is the best method.

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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'd have to see that.



    You are welcome to take any course I have been a part of. If you are serious, I'd be happy to PM you links where you can get home defense training replete with demonstrations on how fast a threat can move.
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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    You are welcome to take any course I have been a part of. If you are serious, I'd be happy to PM you links where you can get home defense training replete with demonstrations on how fast a threat can move.
    I'd be interested in seeing it. I don't see it as a threat to me, as i believe my precautions are enough, but I'm sincere in wanting to see it.

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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'd be interested in seeing it. I don't see it as a threat to me, as i believe my precautions are enough, but I'm sincere in wanting to see it.



    If you PM me your general location, I can dig up a course for you...


    Think of home sizes, now, in a mansion, 15 seconds is a non starter...


    The average home size however is 2300 square feet..... thats less than 1400 per level on a 2 story house....


    How long would it take to bust down a door, take a look and run up the stairs?
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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Well, there's another place we disagree. They are not that difficult. An adult can remove it rather quickly, and if there is enough time to use it at all, there's enough time to remove the lock. You're still free to own and legally sue the weapon.
    You've hampered the mechanics of using the gun. You cannot deny that in any rational form. You may claim an "adult can remove it rather quickly", but that means nothing. What's "rather quickly", and what is the response time you need to respond to a threat? You've made the assumption that there's enough time and that it's easy to take off. But it's not necessarily true, especially given any situation in which you may be under pressure to defend yourself.

    You have thus infringed upon my right to keep and bear arms and to protect myself, my property, and my liberty by necessarily impinging upon the mechanics of the gun and forcing outside locks to be in place.
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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You've hampered the mechanics of using the gun. You cannot deny that in any rational form. You may claim an "adult can remove it rather quickly", but that means nothing. What's "rather quickly", and what is the response time you need to respond to a threat? You've made the assumption that there's enough time and that it's easy to take off. But it's not necessarily true, especially given any situation in which you may be under pressure to defend yourself.

    You have thus infringed upon my right to keep and bear arms and to protect myself, my property, and my liberty by necessarily impinging upon the mechanics of the gun and forcing outside locks to be in place.
    True that some judgment must always be made. I look at it this way, home invasions are very rare, more so than kids being killed. And most don't break in from what I read, but knock on the front door. So, the number in which you would need to or be able to get your weapon for this is ever more rare. And if rarity doesn't matter, then it doesn't matter for child deaths either.

    But going on, some do want to place faith in a gun. I understand this. And we will always have disagreements along this line. As long as you can own a gun and use it, I don't see this as an infringement. I accept that you disagree. But for me, the large problem is child deaths, and see it as reasonable to try and lower those. I don't see trigger locks as an infringement.

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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I look at it this way, home invasions are very rare, more so than kids being killed. .



    How many home invasions were there last year?


    How many accidental shootings involving kids were there?



    We need to compare relevant things. Kids killing kids in gangs and what not is not the same here.
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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    How many home invasions were there last year?


    How many accidental shootings involving kids were there?



    We need to compare relevant things. Kids killing kids in gangs and what not is not the same here.
    That's why I've asked you for the numbers. You claim it is a more serious problem. I gave kids. If you give home invasions, we can compare.

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