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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Seriously? An adult has enough time to "Remove it rather quickly",? I would laugh at your ignorance if it wasn't so sad.






    How did you arrive at this nonsense? This ought to be good...
    Well, it makes sense to me. The gun is unloaded, and the trigger lock is on. You remove the lock, and load the weapon. This happens if you're awaken by someone breaking in. You have some time before they get to you. We're talking want, 1-2 minutes to unlock and load? 3?

    If the person is already in the room, what's the odds you will reach the draw?

    Of course, if you have a large dog or three, what's the odds they get into the house?

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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Well, it makes sense to me. The gun is unloaded, and the trigger lock is on. You remove the lock, and load the weapon. This happens if you're awaken by someone breaking in. You have some time before they get to you. We're talking want, 1-2 minutes to unlock and load? 3?

    If the person is already in the room, what's the odds you will reach the draw?

    Of course, if you have a large dog or three, what's the odds they get into the house?



    As one who teaches both carbine and handgun, I can only tell you that you have the rest of your life to win a gun fight.


    If you want to bank on 2 minutes to react to a threat, well, Tell me where to send the flowers to your funeral.



    Now, I keep a loaded 1911 in a biometric gun locker on the nightstand, I can get into it in under 2 seconds. That would be a better argument on your part, if "Saftey" was actually your concern instead of incremental gun prohibition.


    That said, The state has no business requiring either.



    edit to add. When I lived in NM, not only did I have an occasion to require the use of a firearm, but the dogs in the neighborhood that was robbed had dogs were poisoned by this person.


    Just sayin.
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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And this happens how often (home invasion)?
    Depends on where you live. I spent a year and a half in Sacramento CA. and experienced one attempted home invasion, (my home) and what stopped it was that unmistakable sound of a 12 gauge shell being racked..... never saw 2 guys put one in front of the other as fast as those 2 boys did.
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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    As one who teaches both carbine and handgun, I can only tell you that you have the rest of your life to win a gun fight.


    If you want to bank on 2 minutes to react to a threat, well, Tell me where to send the flowers to your funeral.



    Now, I keep a loaded 1911 in a biometric gun locker on the nightstand, I can get into it in under 2 seconds. That would be a better argument on your part, if "Saftey" was actually your concern instead of incremental gun prohibition.


    That said, The state has no business requiring either.
    I would say the question is less about what you could do, but what about most could do. If you keep a loaded gun in your draw, I think you're inviting trouble. What happens if you're broken into when your not home? Could they find and take the gun? How when others leave home? What's the odds they put the gun elsewhere?

    As for time, how long do you thing a person has once they hear the break in until the person gets to them? Unless they been in the house before, and know everything abut the situation, they have to be careful. Slows them down. Again, if you don't hear them, and they are in the room, 2 seconds won't be fast enough.

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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Depends on where you live. I spent a year and a half in Sacramento CA. and experienced one attempted home invasion, (my home) and what stopped it was that unmistakable sound of a 12 gauge shell being racked..... never saw 2 guys put one in front of the other as fast as those 2 boys did.
    Well, I don't use the words never. However, seems rare as best I can tell. And I would still say a couple of three good dogs would have been just as effective if not more so.

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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Depends on where you live. I spent a year and a half in Sacramento CA. and experienced one attempted home invasion, (my home) and what stopped it was that unmistakable sound of a 12 gauge shell being racked..... never saw 2 guys put one in front of the other as fast as those 2 boys did.
    BTW, did you have the 12 gauge at your bedside? Or did you have to get it. If so, how long did it take you?

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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I would say the question is less about what you could do, but what about most could do. If you keep a loaded gun in your draw, I think you're inviting trouble. What happens if you're broken into when your not home? Could they find and take the gun? How when others leave home? What's the odds they put the gun elsewhere?

    i guess you missed "biometric vault"... It's a quick access safe that uses fingerprints....


    As for the rest, I have no idea what you are trying to say?




    As for time, how long do you thing a person has once they hear the break in until the person gets to them? Unless they been in the house before, and know everything abut the situation, they have to be careful. Slows them down. Again, if you don't hear them, and they are in the room, 2 seconds won't be fast enough.



    I'll take my chances with "2 seconds" over "2 minutes" anyday.

    As for how long from the time of break-in? 15 seconds if that. My home is large, so a little longer.. They make a bee-line for the bedroom where everyone keeps the valuables.


    Now remember this is a home invasion where they KNOW you are home... Act accordingly.
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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I have asked for number for you on home invasions. You have not povided them. I suspect they are much lower than the numbers for kids.

    As for rapists and burgulars, not sure a weapon is that much help. I taught my brother in law once that if I wanted him shot, he would be shot. Warned him I would shoot him during the week, and shot him with a paint ball. He's heavily armed and couldn't stop me. Better armed only means better planning.
    Home Invasion Facts:
    o According to a United States Department of Justice report:
    § 38% of assaults & 60% of rapes occur during home
    invasions.
    § 1 of every 5 homes will experience a breakin
    or home
    invasion. That's over 2,000,000 homes!
    o According to Statistics Canada, there has been an average of
    289,200 home invasions annually over the last 5 years.
    o Statistically, there are over 8,000 home invasions per day in
    North America
    o According to Statistics U.S.A., there was an average of 3,600,000
    home invasions annually between 1994 and 2000.
    http://www.lockjawsecurity.com/pdf/L...gFactSheet.pdf

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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    i guess you missed "biometric vault"... It's a quick access safe that uses fingerprints....
    Sounds like a reasonable place for storage. No complaint from me. How affordable?

    As for the rest, I have no idea what you are trying to say?
    It's pretty simple, if someone breaks in when you or any gun owner isn't home, isn't the bed side table a place they will look and likely steal your gun?







    I'll take my chances with "2 seconds" over "2 minutes" anyday.

    As for how long from the time of break-in? 15 seconds if that. My home is large, so a little longer.. They make a bee-line for the bedroom where everyone keeps the valuables.


    Now remember this is a home invasion where they KNOW you are home... Act accordingly.
    Breaking in, I agree. Getting from the entry point to your room, I suspect that takes longer.

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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Sounds like a reasonable place for storage. No complaint from me. How affordable?

    $100



    It's pretty simple, if someone breaks in when you or any gun owner isn't home, isn't the bed side table a place they will look and likely steal your gun?

    Sure is, why I lock mine up when I am not home. The Government however has no business forcing me to.



    Breaking in, I agree. Getting from the entry point to your room, I suspect that takes longer.




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