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Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

So 2005 there were about 59,231 home robberies. Almost half of all robberies are done with firearms. So tell me, how is 59,231 rarer than the ~200 accidental deaths a year?

2008 numbers are 72,022 home robberies. These are defined as violent crimes.
Violent Crime - Crime in the United States 2008

Robberies are not the same as home invasions.

As for accidental deaths, I assume you mean children:

# In 1999, 3,385 children and youth ages 0-19 years were killed with a gun. This includes homicides, suicides, and unintentional injuries.
# This is equivalent to about 9 deaths per day, a figure commonly used by journalists.
# The 3,385 firearms-related deaths for age group 0-19 years breaks down to:Four teen boys

* 214 unintentional
* 1,078 suicides
* 1,990 homicides
* 83 for which the intent could not be determined
* 20 due to legal intervention

Gun Safety for Kids and Youth: Your Child: University of Michigan Health System

This study shows that in 1 urban population, the incidence of unintended gun death among children is 6 times higher than current data sources suggest. These findings indicate that unintentional gun death is not to be discounted in prevention planning and that manner of death data should be used with caution in making any inference regarding the intentionality of a firearm death.

Are "Accidental" Gun Deaths as Rare as They Seem? A Comparison of Medical Examiner Manner of Death Coding With an Intent-Based Classification Approach -- Schaechter et al. 111 (4): 741 -- Pediatrics

Overall accidental is larger:

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimated 52,447 deliberate and 23,237 accidental non-fatal gunshot injuries in the United States during 2000.[4

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States]Gun violence in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

Accidental Discharge of Firearms 776

Death Statistics Tables

From a pro gun site:

(B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500.

US Gun Statistics
 
A home invasion is a FORM or TYPE OF ROBBERY

for example-you can ROB a Cab driver. You can hold up a convenience store or mug a jogger. All of those are robberies as well
 
Yeah right.

Oklahoma militia: "We are farmers. We are militia. We want lower laxes"

National Guard: "We are trained soldiers. We have tanks"

Oklahoma militia: "Oh, sorry. Nevermind the tax thing."
 
Yeah right.

Oklahoma militia: "We are farmers. We are militia. We want lower laxes"

National Guard: "We are trained soldiers. We have tanks"

Oklahoma militia: "Oh, sorry. Nevermind the tax thing."

Lots of farmers served in the regular army
 
A home invasion is a FORM or TYPE OF ROBBERY

for example-you can ROB a Cab driver. You can hold up a convenience store or mug a jogger. All of those are robberies as well

Yes, but more specified. There is a real difference. There's a reason why they put the in different categories.

Home invasion differs from simple burglary in its violent intent, much the same way as the violent crime of robbery is differentiated from simple larceny.

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_invasion]Home invasion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
 
Robberies are not the same as home invasions.

As for accidental deaths, I assume you mean children:

# In 1999, 3,385 children and youth ages 0-19 years were killed with a gun. This includes homicides, suicides, and unintentional injuries.
# This is equivalent to about 9 deaths per day, a figure commonly used by journalists.
# The 3,385 firearms-related deaths for age group 0-19 years breaks down to:Four teen boys

* 214 unintentional
* 1,078 suicides
* 1,990 homicides
* 83 for which the intent could not be determined
* 20 due to legal intervention

Gun Safety for Kids and Youth: Your Child: University of Michigan Health System

This study shows that in 1 urban population, the incidence of unintended gun death among children is 6 times higher than current data sources suggest. These findings indicate that unintentional gun death is not to be discounted in prevention planning and that manner of death data should be used with caution in making any inference regarding the intentionality of a firearm death.

Are "Accidental" Gun Deaths as Rare as They Seem? A Comparison of Medical Examiner Manner of Death Coding With an Intent-Based Classification Approach -- Schaechter et al. 111 (4): 741 -- Pediatrics

Overall accidental is larger:

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimated 52,447 deliberate and 23,237 accidental non-fatal gunshot injuries in the United States during 2000.[4

Gun violence in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Accidental Discharge of Firearms 776

Death Statistics Tables

From a pro gun site:

(B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500.

US Gun Statistics

That number was number of robberies occurring in an individual's home. So yes, it is the same thing. Jesus ****ing christ. And yes, I was talking children since you were as well. 200 compared to ~72,000. And that's not all crime which occurs in a home through which you could defend yourself with your gun. There is a lot of other crime which happens in the home as well.
 
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That number was number of robberies occurring in an individual's home. So yes, it is the same thing. Jesus ****ing christ. And yes, I was talking children since you were as well. 200 compared to ~78,000. And that's not all crime which occurs in a home through which you could defend yourself with your gun. There is a lot of other crime which happens in the home as well.

No, not the same thing. Breaking into the home to rob while people are not there is not considered a home invasion. This is why I posted something earlier to show that this distinction makes measuring it difficult. I started with trying to define what we're talking about. This is reasonable and not any thing that should upset you.

And yes, I thought you were talking about children and not all accidents, but was just making sure.

However, home invasion is with the intent to do violence as well as rob. A simply robbery prefers you not to be home, and doesn't carry the intended violence.
 
No! I already told you, robbery is defined as a violent crime. This is the FBI's stats here. That doesn't even count burglaries. You're trying to make all these definitions to obscure the fact that you're called for something to stop 200 deaths a year, but in the end can endanger 100,000's instead.

Definition

The FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program defines robbery as the taking or attempting to take anything of value from the care, custody, or control of a person or persons by force or threat of force or violence and/or by putting the victim in fear.
 
No! I already told you, robbery is defined as a violent crime. This is the FBI's stats here. That doesn't even count burglaries. You're trying to make all these definitions to obscure the fact that you're called for something to stop 200 deaths a year, but in the end can endanger 100,000's instead.

Definition

The FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program defines robbery as the taking or attempting to take anything of value from the care, custody, or control of a person or persons by force or threat of force or violence and/or by putting the victim in fear.

OK. I see what you're saying now. My mistake. I will look up current FBI stats later.
 
No, not the same thing. Breaking into the home to rob while people are not there is not considered a home invasion. This is why I posted something earlier to show that this distinction makes measuring it difficult. I started with trying to define what we're talking about. This is reasonable and not any thing that should upset you.

And yes, I thought you were talking about children and not all accidents, but was just making sure.

However, home invasion is with the intent to do violence as well as rob. A simply robbery prefers you not to be home, and doesn't carry the intended violence.

if the home is empty of people it is not ROBBERY. It is burglary
 
Sounds rather idiotic but I kind of want to wait and see what it is. From the sounds of it I wonder if it'll end up being more like a National Guard type thing, simply localized to the state.

If that's the case, strangely enough, I'd rather like it. I know one of the issues with katrina and others was National Guard members being deployed. Having a force focused simply in the state that is able to give aid to emergency situations but is not bound to the federal government would assure that emergency response for the state could be possible.

The language in this seems rather inflamatory, especially since "militia" in recent times has been something that conjures images of backwoods rednecks stock piling guns and thinking they're Green Beret's. However that's hardly the only definition of militia and with this going officially through the state I'd be willing to hold off judgement until we can see more information that's not simply broad strokes and stereotyped words.

The National Guard does not have infantry, so it makes sense for citizens to want to form infantry units outside of the National Guard.
 
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No! I already told you, robbery is defined as a violent crime. This is the FBI's stats here. That doesn't even count burglaries. You're trying to make all these definitions to obscure the fact that you're called for something to stop 200 deaths a year, but in the end can endanger 100,000's instead.

Definition

The FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program defines robbery as the taking or attempting to take anything of value from the care, custody, or control of a person or persons by force or threat of force or violence and/or by putting the victim in fear.

I have to concede this point to you. I reviewed the FBI stats and the number is much larger.

However, the other part of the discussion involved how much it helped. As I understand it, and I welcome any correction, most home invasions come from someone knocking on the door and the resident opening the door. If this is true, having a gun laying around loaded doesn't seem to be as effective as simply not opening the door until you know who it is.
 
I have to concede this point to you. I reviewed the FBI stats and the number is much larger.

However, the other part of the discussion involved how much it helped. As I understand it, and I welcome any correction, most home invasions come from someone knocking on the door and the resident opening the door. If this is true, having a gun laying around loaded doesn't seem to be as effective as simply not opening the door until you know who it is.

Whoever is leaving a loaded firearm "lay around" is braking the law to begin with.

Keep it on your hip.
 
Whoever is leaving a loaded firearm "lay around" is braking the law to begin with.

Keep it on your hip.

Well, that is what we're talking about. Weapons at the bed side table for example. Saying that you can't properly store them, safe and / or trigger locks and be safe. I would argue the responsible gun owner is not really the problem. It is the one who leaves it laying around loaded with kids in the house.
 
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