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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I'm not wasting much time on someone known for not providing links, but you can start here:

    GUN CONTROL FACT-SHEET (2004)
    Good to see you picked a site that wouldn't be suspected at all of playing with the numbers.

    But why would you think the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reports different numbers? Or are you suggesting trigger locks worked?

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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Good to see you picked a site that wouldn't be suspected at all of playing with the numbers.

    But why would you think the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reports different numbers? Or are you suggesting trigger locks worked?


    Each note is footnoted and sourced. FAIL


    Now, how many childeren died last here from firearms accidents. 2nd request.
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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Each note is footnoted and sourced. FAIL


    Now, how many childeren died last here from firearms accidents. 2nd request.
    Back up JR, I didn't say it was wrong, I asked you to explain the difference.

    However, notice what is sourced:

    What are the statistics about young people and firearm deaths and injuries?
    The 2002 edition of Injury Facts from the National Safety Council reports the following statistics [1] :

    * In 1999, 3,385 children and youth ages 0-19 years were killed with a gun. This includes homicides, suicides, and unintentional injuries.
    * This is equivalent to about 9 deaths per day, a figure commonly used by journalists.
    * The 3,385 firearms-related deaths for age group 0-19 years breaks down to:Four teen boys
    o 214 unintentional
    o 1,078 suicides
    o 1,990 homicides
    o 83 for which the intent could not be determined
    o 20 due to legal intervention
    * Of the total firearms-related deaths:
    o 73 were of children under five years old
    o 416 were children 5-14 years old
    o 2,896 were 15-19 years old

    For more information: Child Trends DataBank has available these teen homicide, suicide and firearm death statistics.

    In addition to firearm deaths, we need to look at how many children and young people are hurt by guns. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reports that in 1997, 2,514 children aged 0-14 were non-fatally injured by guns. In the same year, 30,225 young people aged 15-24 sustained nonfatal firearm injuries. These statistics include suicide attempts and both intentional and accidental shootings [2].

    Gun Safety for Kids and Youth: Your Child: University of Michigan Health System

    Again, using the same source but saying something different. Can you explain?

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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    So you got 214? Is that your final number hero?


    Out of 73 million childeren?


    Like i said a kid is more likely to drown in a bucket of water.
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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    So you got 214? Is that your final number hero?


    Out of 73 million childeren?


    Like i said a kid is more likely to drown in a bucket of water.
    And like I said, show me the chances of a home invasion. I suspect it is even less likely.

    BTW, you didn't answer the question. I'm just saying.

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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    What's unreasonable about a waiting period? I don't see that one. I slows down any spur of the moment mental stress type problem. That happens btw.

    What's reasonable about an automatic weapon? I don't see it.

    I think it is reasonable for law enforcement to be better armed than criminals. Even those who just decided on a certain day to rob a bank.

    The rest don't seem to much a problem to me.
    people who would run out and buy a gun are not in the heat of passion anymore. HOwever, people have been killed by waiting periods.

    That you don't see it with automatic weapons is hardly grounds to deny one large group of civilians the right to own something that most cities and local governments provide other civilians for self defensive use.

    You cannot stop criminals from being better armed than cops since any and all weapons up to nukes are available on the black market and "criminal" can mean rogue states or warlords



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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Do you think registration is reasonable?
    absolutely not

    1) it has no real use in crime control-hawaii which is an island has had such registration and I recall several studies showing that no or almost no crimes were solved by it

    2) it is a tool to facilitate confiscation

    3) people who cannot legally own firearms are constitutionally exempt from being punished for failure to register under the 5th amendment

    4) it wastes law enforcement resources and tax dollars



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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Because, clearly, if Americans go to Tea Party rallies with guns they change from amicable Americans with a knack for shooting cans to violent psychopaths with a taste for the blood of women and minorities.

    How do I know this? Well, I read it in the New York Times. And no one would bother lying in the New York Times. They print on newspaper. You can't lie on newspaper.

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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    people who would run out and buy a gun are not in the heat of passion anymore. HOwever, people have been killed by waiting periods.

    That you don't see it with automatic weapons is hardly grounds to deny one large group of civilians the right to own something that most cities and local governments provide other civilians for self defensive use.

    You cannot stop criminals from being better armed than cops since any and all weapons up to nukes are available on the black market and "criminal" can mean rogue states or warlords
    Really? And yet, hasn't it happened before where someone got angry, went right out and bought a gun, and acted? You're actually talking about something different than I am. Not passion, but anger. Sometimes a few days to settle down isn't much to ask. And it doesn't really hurt anyone to wait, does it? If so, exactly how?

    As for automatic weapons, I don't see anyone with a nuke or a tank either, and I see no problem denying them to people. Weapons area tool, nothing more. So what is the purpose of the tool, an automatic weapon? Therein lies the reason I have no trouble seeing them banned.

    And while you are correct that criminals may well still get better weapons, there's no reason to make it easier for them. Let them work at it.

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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Do you think registration is reasonable?
    Registration is a precondition to the right not inherent to same.

    It serves no compelling state interest, and is not the least restrictive means to serve said interest (as no interest exists)

    Therefore, registration does not pass a test of strict scrutiny, and therefore is an unallowable infringement of the right to arms.

    Unallowable infringements are not reasonable.

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