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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Or could it be you merely see every law as schemes to move us closer to a gun ban. To be honest, I think too many people see what they want to see, to fit their world view. It's rare to fine people who can put their own biases aside. And that is true for all sides. The only I think I have different is that I have no dog in this argument. None. I don't think laws can prevent stupid people. But we can mandate a few things, like guns out of reach and with trigger locks. Doesn't seem unreasonable to me for a house hold with kids. And if you don't, face the music for your irresponsibility and stupidity. Not a problem for me.

    But I see no reason to remove guns from responsible people who know how to use and house them. Nothing against hunters. Like to hunt myself from time to time (no where near as much as I used to).

    So, in short, reasonable is reasonable. Unreasonable not reasonable.
    reasonable-punishing illegal or irresponsible uses of guns

    reasonable-bans on possession of guns by children (unless involved in an adult supervised activity) violent criminals, illegal aliens, addicts, drunks and those adjudicted mentally incompetent

    some time/place restrictions like federal courthouses, airplanes, submarines, etc

    Unreasonable

    waiting periods

    one gun a month etc buying limits

    restrictions on any weapon that civilian law enforcement can use

    people ought to be able to own assault rifles submachine guns, silencers

    no limits on how many guns you own



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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    reasonable-punishing illegal or irresponsible uses of guns

    reasonable-bans on possession of guns by children (unless involved in an adult supervised activity) violent criminals, illegal aliens, addicts, drunks and those adjudicted mentally incompetent

    some time/place restrictions like federal courthouses, airplanes, submarines, etc

    Unreasonable

    waiting periods

    one gun a month etc buying limits

    restrictions on any weapon that civilian law enforcement can use

    people ought to be able to own assault rifles submachine guns, silencers

    no limits on how many guns you own
    What's unreasonable about a waiting period? I don't see that one. I slows down any spur of the moment mental stress type problem. That happens btw.

    What's reasonable about an automatic weapon? I don't see it.

    I think it is reasonable for law enforcement to be better armed than criminals. Even those who just decided on a certain day to rob a bank.

    The rest don't seem to much a problem to me.

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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    it footnoted each and every time the phrase was used, and its oxford english dictionary of that time period.

    The evidence and the proof meets all standards of requirments to be observed as an indisputale fact.


    You are free to show me an opposing definition of that time if you so have it.
    Mind reposting it, since it's in discussion again? Just because the phrase was used in that context a few times, that doesn't mean that was the only use, or the one the founders intended
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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    reasonable-punishing illegal or irresponsible uses of guns

    reasonable-bans on possession of guns by children (unless involved in an adult supervised activity) violent criminals, illegal aliens, addicts, drunks and those adjudicted mentally incompetent

    some time/place restrictions like federal courthouses, airplanes, submarines, etc

    Unreasonable

    waiting periods

    one gun a month etc buying limits

    restrictions on any weapon that civilian law enforcement can use

    people ought to be able to own assault rifles submachine guns, silencers

    no limits on how many guns you own
    Do you think registration is reasonable?
    The Makeout Hobo is real, and does indeed travel around the country in his van and make out with ladies... If you meet the Makeout Hobo, it is customary to greet him with a shot of whiskey and a high five (if you are a dude) or passionate makeouts (if you are a lady).

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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Safety locks. Holding parents responsible for leaving guns at the bed side for kids to find. Laws against the mentally impaired having weapons (fought against at one time).

    Let me tell you who is stupid. I used to work on a ambulance. Never once did I ever pick up a shooting victim shot in a robbery or rape or any such crime. Always accidental, or in a fight. One I remember real well was a man who bought a new pistol and took it to a party. He was trying to spin the gun around like some fancy cowboy. The gun went off and killed a young girl across the room. I don't know if we could tell he was stupid before hand, I like to think we could, but we do know he's stupid now.

    Again, experience tells me stupid people, careless people and mentally disturbed people are more dangerous.




    Sounds like you're from moron ville...(note I am refering to not you but where you live)


    I do work with CQB training outfits, Carbine, pistol, I also do work for CCW permit training and validation on the weekends for the state of Utah..... My wife was an emergency room nurse before becoming a nurse practioner....


    your hyperbolic hoplophibic stories are a joke boo.
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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Or could it be you merely see every law as schemes to move us closer to a gun ban. To be honest, I think too many people see what they want to see, to fit their world view. It's rare to fine people who can put their own biases aside. And that is true for all sides. The only I think I have different is that I have no dog in this argument. None. I don't think laws can prevent stupid people. But we can mandate a few things, like guns out of reach and with trigger locks. Doesn't seem unreasonable to me for a house hold with kids. And if you don't, face the music for your irresponsibility and stupidity. Not a problem for me.

    But I see no reason to remove guns from responsible people who know how to use and house them. Nothing against hunters. Like to hunt myself from time to time (no where near as much as I used to).

    So, in short, reasonable is reasonable. Unreasonable not reasonable.



    Trigger locks would have done what exactly for this man?


    Fort Worth, TX home invaders shot in self defense
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    Post Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Mind reposting it, since it's in discussion again? Just because the phrase was used in that context a few times, that doesn't mean that was the only use, or the one the founders intended

    I guess your Google is broken....




    Meaning of the phrase "well-regulated"



    The following are taken from the Oxford English Dictionary, and bracket in time the writing of the 2nd amendment:

    1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations."

    1714: "The practice of all well-regulated courts of justice in the world."

    1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."

    1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."

    1862: "It appeared to her well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."

    1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every well-regulated American embryo city."

    The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.
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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Trigger locks would have done what exactly for this man?


    Fort Worth, TX home invaders shot in self defense


    Trigger locks are for kids. Did this fellow have young kids in the house? If not, no need. Secondly, a couple of large dogs would have deterred enough to have not needed a gun, but shooting home invaders is fine by me. Shooting your son because you mistook him for a home invader not so much.

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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Trigger locks are for kids. Did this fellow have young kids in the house? If not, no need. Secondly, a couple of large dogs would have deterred enough to have not needed a gun, but shooting home invaders is fine by me. Shooting your son because you mistook him for a home invader not so much.


    I note you completley avoided my question. If this person had "kids" he should have done what exactly?



    How often do you think that happens?


    Hint. 0-14 less than 20, 0-14 less than a hundred out of 73 million children in this country..... And that's for ALL accidental shootings. Mistaken Identity is probably a FRACTION of this. In fact so small, they can't measure it.


    Hoplophobic reasoning is soooo sophomoric.



    Buckets of water are more of a threat.
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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I note you completley avoided my question. If this person had "kids" he should have done what exactly?



    How often do you think that happens?


    Hint. 0-14 less than 20, 0-14 less than a hundred out of 73 million children in this country..... And that's for ALL accidental shootings. Mistaken Identity is probably a FRACTION of this. In fact so small, they can't measure it.


    Hoplophobic reasoning is soooo sophomoric.



    Buckets of water are more of a threat.
    Home invasions are pretty small too rev. You're arguing that your rarely happen is somehow better than another.

    Sometimes it isnt good to be the world leader. American children aged 14 and younger are 16 times more likely to be killed by firearms than are children in 25 other industrialized nations averaged together, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Even when the focus shifts from gun-related deaths to all homicides, the U.S. still makes a poor showing. The murder rate for American kids under age 14 is five times the average rate for the other countries.

    The numbers stay bleak throughout the teen years and young adulthood. The risk that an American aged 15 to 19 will die from a firearm injury more than doubled between 1985 and 1994. Firearm injuries were the second-leading cause of death for people aged 10 to 24 in 1994. In 1995, 8 percent of American students reported carrying a firearm for fighting or self-defense at least once in the previous 30 days. Thats up from 4 percent in 1990.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/newrep...y&p=1058711815

    So, what about home invasions?


    As to your question. You plan for what is likely. Send the kids to Grandmas, then wait for the gang to invade. You're article shows a progression. It wasn't random.

    Better yet, get a couple of BIG DOGS, and let them come in.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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