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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Meh, it's their right to do so; I wish them luck
    It's the right of the state to form a militia, not the people, the way I read it.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    It's the right of the state to form a militia, not the people.




    How in the world did you come up with this nonsense....
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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    How in the world did you come up with this nonsense....
    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State
    Basically, the state must call the shots, as it were, in terms of what the militia does. The second these people do something unsanctioned they become a militant criminal organization.

    edit: the writers of this thing needed standardized grammar!
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Basically, the state must call the shots, as it were, in terms of what the militia does. The second these people do something unsanctioned they become a militant criminal organization.

    edit: the writers of this thing needed standardized grammar!




    FAIL


    Seriously, what do you think the term "well regulated" means?





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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    FAIL


    Seriously, what do you think the term "well regulated" means?


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    People have the right to own guns. Never disputed that. Do the people get to make their own regulation now?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    It's a moot point. We've been ceding power to a centralized authority for over two hundred years now. At the turn of the 19th century a militia would do well to defend its state from an unwanted federal authority. Now, it would do nothing to defend its state from a wanted federal authority.

    That's the bitch about the genie. You let her out of the bottle, and she doesn't want to go back in.

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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Basically, the state must call the shots, as it were, in terms of what the militia does. The second these people do something unsanctioned they become a militant criminal organization.

    edit: the writers of this thing needed standardized grammar!
    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    People have the right to own guns. Never disputed that.



    Wait, maybe I misunderstood you....


    Are you saying, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, so that the state could form a militia is absolute?


    What does US code say who the militia is?
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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Wait, maybe I misunderstood you....


    Are you saying, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, so that the state could form a militia is absolute?


    What does US code say who the militia is?
    Beats me. My point is that people don't get to just decide of their own accord what is lawful or unlawful. They can form their own "militia," but without sanction they're just a bunch of angry guys with guns. You may personally disagree about the ATF's right to take away your cocaine stash, but if you and your "militia" buddies try to go against state and federal laws pertaining to the matter in a violent way, you're going to get shot.

    How do we know the difference between a militia and a bunch of vigilantes, is my question.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Beats me. My point is that people don't get to just decide of their own accord what is lawful or unlawful. They can form their own "militia," but without sanction they're just a bunch of angry guys with guns. You may personally disagree about the ATF's right to take away your cocaine stash, but if you and your "militia" buddies try to go against state and federal laws pertaining to the matter in a violent way, you're going to get shot.

    How do we know the difference between a militia and a bunch of vigilantes, is my question.




    Cocaine? And here I thought we were having an intelligent discussion, my bad.....



    Who is the militia?
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    Re: Oklahoma Tea Party Plans To Form Armed Militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Cocaine? And here I thought we were having an intelligent discussion, my bad.....

    Who is the militia?
    Stop playing obtuse just because he's on the other side of you. It just makes you look foolish. His cocaine question was a good one.

    If I'm getting him right he's essentially saying that being a "militia" in and of itself doesn't give you any special rights or privledges to break the law. And that essentially it'd need to be authorized by the state to do any kind of "protective" activity, else it'd be running afouol of the laws and would be no different than a vigilante band.

    The cocaine point was just a simple example of something that would be a federal law that cound involve a group like ATF coming into a state and trying to take action. Essentially that yes, you have a "right" perhaps to form a militia, but that right doesn't mean that militia would have the "right" to oppose the federal government attempting to exert its will...such as ATF raiding said militia for guns, drugs, etc.

    Ultimately, from what I'm gathering, a "militia" not sponsored by the state has little real power to "resist" anything and even if they're sponsored by the state they're still subject to federal laws and would still be acting illegally if they stopped something from happening that was currently illegal federally.

    However, that is why I think these guys are at least SEEMING to go about it the right way by trying to do this in conjunction with the state so they may actually be able to put to some official good rather than playing army man in some backwoods area.

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