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Gay Marriage Fails to get on California Ballot

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I really can't believe I am reading this.........You guys are really unbelievable........Your in the wrong country........Thank God that will never happen here...It was tried and failed...........


Well you lost this time and you will continue to lose.......get use to it........

LOL...Navy. Keep on believing. Ever hear of winning the battle but losing the war? That is exactly what is happening. Attitudes towards gays are shifting dramatically. The wheels are in place. Enjoy your shallow victories while you can Navy....because it is clear that they aren't going to last....even in your lifetime.
 
Clearly ... whenever you see a gay person you run away or you take out your assault rifle.

Also ... you love ... ellipses ...

This is not about me my left wing friend, try and stay on topic........I will say that one of my best friends is gay and on my golf team........He just want civil unions with equal rights which is what most people I know want......He just wishes all you "Bleeding hearts" would shut up because you are turning more and more people off to their cause every day..........
 
This is not about me my left wing friend, try and stay on topic........I will say that one of my best friends is gay and on my golf team........He just want civil unions with equal rights which is what most people I know want......He just wishes all you "Bleeding hearts" would shut up because you are turning more and more people off to their cause every day..........

This is not what you where saying earlier when you where attacking posters off topic.
 
This is not about me my left wing friend, try and stay on topic........I will say that one of my best friends is gay and on my golf team........He just want civil unions with equal rights which is what most people I know want......He just wishes all you "Bleeding hearts" would shut up because you are turning more and more people off to their cause every day..........

Yeah...pull out the "I've got a gay friend" card...that's what you always try to do. Bottom line Navy, you are definitely one of the most, if not THE most anti-gay poster on this site. The hatred and fear that you have towards gay people often over-consumes you.
 
This is not about me my left wing friend, try and stay on topic........I will say that one of my best friends is gay and on my golf team........He just want civil unions with equal rights which is what most people I know want......He just wishes all you "Bleeding hearts" would shut up because you are turning more and more people off to their cause every day..........

What makes you think I'm left wing, or even your friend? :doh

Hey, I have best friends too. One of my best friends who is conservative says that all you conservative bleeding hearts give conservatives a bad name.

(see I play the friend card too)

So we're even, next topic.
 
Well since neither one of them are in office I won't worry to much about it.........Its easy to have and opinion like that when you don't have to get votes.....Even your boy Obama is against Gay Marriage.....He unlike the 2 people you mentioned might need votes....Is he a liar?

So your saying after Loving V Virginia all those states just changed their mind.........can you give me a link on those states.........I was voting during those days and don't remember that and most people I know had to problem with the races being integrated...Nothing like there is against gay marriage........

I heard there are going to be more states with constitutional amendments on the ballot in Nov.....stay tuned..........

First of all, there were 16 states that had laws and/or statutes against interracial marriages (I will admit that I had read another article wrong when it said 30 states had laws, these were prior to the 1960s). And no, those states, nor their citizens, simply "changed their minds". They were forced to abide by the decision of the Supreme Court. The last state to remove the anti-miscegenation laws from the books was Alabama, in 2000. Someone else posted much earlier in this thread the actual support for interracial marriages during the past.

Why the Ugly Rhetoric Against Gay Marriage Is Familiar to this Historian of Miscegenation

Also, Obama is not "my boy". I voted for McCain. But President Obama does support repealing DOMA. The Respect for Marriage Act is at least a step forward. And Pres. Obama does support civil unions for same-sex couples. Another step closer.

This is from last year. Looks like most people support at least equal treatment of same sex couples, if not full marriage recognition all together.

Poll: Support For Same Sex Marriage Grows - Political Hotsheet - CBS News
 
What makes you think I'm left wing, or even your friend? :doh

Hey, I have best friends too. One of my best friends who is conservative says that all you conservative bleeding hearts give conservatives a bad name.

(see I play the friend card too)

So we're even, next topic.

Not very well, you can't hide from your left wing posts....

The problem with lefties like you is no one can have a difference of opinion.........and you call us the intolerant ones.........so very sad............
 
First of all, there were 16 states that had laws and/or statutes against interracial marriages (I will admit that I had read another article wrong when it said 30 states had laws, these were prior to the 1960s). And no, those states, nor their citizens, simply "changed their minds". They were forced to abide by the decision of the Supreme Court. The last state to remove the anti-miscegenation laws from the books was Alabama, in 2000. Someone else posted much earlier in this thread the actual support for interracial marriages during the past.

Why the Ugly Rhetoric Against Gay Marriage Is Familiar to this Historian of Miscegenation

Also, Obama is not "my boy". I voted for McCain. But President Obama does support repealing DOMA. The Respect for Marriage Act is at least a step forward. And Pres. Obama does support civil unions for same-sex couples. Another step closer.


This is from last year. Looks like most people support at least equal treatment of same sex couples, if not full marriage recognition all together.

Poll: Support For Same Sex Marriage Grows - Political Hotsheet - CBS News


16 huh, what is that, a little over half......not quite the same......

Hey I support Civil Unions to...........Why are you so pissed at me and not Barry?:confused:
 
LOL...Navy. Keep on believing. Ever hear of winning the battle but losing the war? That is exactly what is happening. Attitudes towards gays are shifting dramatically. The wheels are in place. Enjoy your shallow victories while you can Navy....because it is clear that they aren't going to last....even in your lifetime.



Yeah I have heard of that but you are not winning.....You lost a battle today in La La land where you should win..........Your just kidding yourself...........There will be more states with amendments on the ballot this November.they will pass with huge majorities.......You lose every time the people speak............You better take civil unions before you lose them to.......
 
Yeah I have heard of that but you are not winning.....You lost a battle today in La La land where you should win..........Your just kidding yourself...........There will be more states with amendments on the ballot this November.they will pass with huge majorities.......You lose every time the people speak............You better take civil unions before you lose them to.......

Sorry....that's the cowards way out. Separate but equal is never equal.

We are winning this war...if not tomorrow, then the day after that...but make no mistake Navy, don't fool yourself, justice and equality will prevail. Thi country has a history of being wrong...discrimination...mistreatment of minorities, but eventually, although we are slow, we come around to doing the right thing. This is no different than the battles for equality that have come before...and the bigots and abusers always lose.
 
Sorry....that's the cowards way out. Separate but equal is never equal.

We are winning this war...if not tomorrow, then the day after that...but make no mistake Navy, don't fool yourself, justice and equality will prevail. Thi country has a history of being wrong...discrimination...mistreatment of minorities, but eventually, although we are slow, we come around to doing the right thing. This is no different than the battles for equality that have come before...and the bigots and abusers always lose.

You my friend are in a total state of denial.........
 
You my friend are in a total state of denial.........

Actually my right-wing friend...it is YOU that either cannot see the wave coming or are living in that state of denial....you know the one that have the bankrupt bank that you can take it to.
 
16 huh, what is that, a little over half......not quite the same......

Hey I support Civil Unions to...........Why are you so pissed at me and not Barry?:confused:

The ONLY reason that you "support" civil unions is because you are deathly afraid that gay marriage is coming your way and you are hoping that if you throw some crumbs out...people might take them and be happy.
Well guess what old man....it ain't gonna happen. We aren't going to settle for your leftovers.....
 
The problem with lefties like you is no one can have a difference of opinion.........and you call us the intolerant ones.........so very sad............

No...Navy...you have it all wrong. Us "lefties" understand that you can have a difference of opinion.

What makes you Intolerant is your arrogant belief that everyone should be required to live according to your "opinion".
Your right to your opinion ends when it imposes on the private lives of others.

I am perfectly willing to allow you to have your opinion and to live your life according to your beliefs and ideals.

Why are you right-wingers so unwilling to allow others the same respect?
 
Not very well, you can't hide from your left wing posts....

First of all calm the f*ck down.

Second, I'm really not a left-winger, I have a lot of problems with the liberal ideology.

The problem with lefties like you is no one can have a difference of opinion.........and you call us the intolerant ones.........so very sad............

I'm not calling conservatives intolerant, in fact I'm not calling anyone intolerant. The only person I'm calling out is YOU individually.
 
Sorry....but the Supreme Court has already found that the right to marry is a fundamental right. Loving v. Virginia.

excellent. so my suit to allow me to marry my two cousins will definitely succeed then?
 
excellent. so my suit to allow me to marry my two cousins will definitely succeed then?

While I don't have any huge issue with polymagy and there are a number of states where you can marry your cousin, I believe declaring marriage a fundamental right means you can't be denied it based off of certain protected classes. For instance, you can't be denied the right to marry because you're black or jewish. However, since polygamy is not currently a protected class and multiple subjects is not a part of recognized marriage contracts, that argument doesn't work.
 
First of all calm the f*ck down.

Second, I'm really not a left-winger, I have a lot of problems with the liberal ideology.



I'm not calling conservatives intolerant, in fact I'm not calling anyone intolerant. The only person I'm calling out is YOU individually.

Not very well, you can't hide from your left wing posts....

What part of that do you not understand my left wing friend?

I am very calm my left wing friend, seems like you are the one upset..................

You just call Conservatives Bigots or homophobes........:rofl
 
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excellent. so my suit to allow me to marry my two cousins will definitely succeed then?

And it's the incest card. You need bestiality and polygamy for the full red herring trifecta though.
 
This is not about me my left wing friend, try and stay on topic.......

What part of that do you not understand my left wing friend?

I am very calm my left wing friend, seems like you are the one upset..................

You just call Conservatives Bigots or homophobes........:rofl

I love how sometimes I don't even have to write a reply to Navy, his own words do him in.
 
What part of that do you not understand my left wing friend?

I am very calm my left wing friend, seems like you are the one upset..................

You just call Conservatives Bigots or homophobes........:rofl

NP, of all the people I know who are racist, bigoted, sexist, whatever, they are ALL far right CONSERVATIVES. Does that mean that all conservatives are that way? No, it just means that if you are a bigot, a sexist, a racist, odds are that you are one of those uber-cons who dwell in the far right wing of political fantasy land.
And before anyone gets their panties in a twist, I feel the same about the far left.
Extreme adherance to far out idealism is not an indication of intellect, whether it be righty tighties, or leftie loosies.
All people like that can do is make their party look bad....if that is your purpose, congratulations. You have won that battle. But, you lose the war.
 
What part of that do you not understand my left wing friend?

I am very calm my left wing friend, seems like you are the one upset..................

You just call Conservatives Bigots or homophobes........:rofl

I'm not upset, I'm just a little concerned that you are not listening to me. If you wanna keep calling me names (left wing, your friend, etc.) then have at it. Otherwise please get back to the issue.

My point was that I am only calling you out, only you. If you don't believe that then I guess this whole thing is pointless and we can stop arguing over the little things so we can continue on topic.

In me experience, yes, most racists I have met or seen have been conservatives, but that's doesn't mean I'm picking on conservatives in general, I'm picking you. Please understand that.
 
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And it's the incest card. You need bestiality and polygamy for the full red herring trifecta though.

You must not have noticed the "two cousins" part! :mrgreen:
 
You must not have noticed the "two cousins" part! :mrgreen:

It's sad that this argument has gone around so many times, in almost the exact same form, that you know each others lines by heart.
 
It's sad that this argument has gone around so many times, in almost the exact same form, that you know each others lines by heart.

It really is. Makes me wonder what the point is.

Tell me, have you ever changed anyone's mind on here? I don't believe I have.
 
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