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    Re: Gay Marriage Fails to get on California Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    1. I am saying if gays can do it so should daughter and father and gays always say they want to marry for the benefits they receive.........
    Most of the benefits are those that would make the person's spouse a legal part of their family. A father and daughter are already considered legal family members. Visitation rights, medical rights/decisions, certain employment decisions, and some estate planning benefits. Many of the others wouldn't be necessary for a father and daughter, but would with an actual spouse, such as many of the family benefits concerning adoption, stepparent status, and divorce.

    And it must also be asked why two family members would even want to bother trying to be married, when most of the benefits of marriage are directly related to making a person another loves, who is not already a part of the family, a part of the family. I'm not exactly sure why some of those other benefits are given to spouses but not immediate blood relatives.

    Some of them are given to immediate blood relations though with certain circumstances. For instance, a single person can claim head-of-household on their taxes with a qualifying dependent that is not their spouse or child. I know this because I did it the year before I got married, with my sister. She lived with me for the year, I paid all the bills, and she made below the limit for me to claim her on my taxes. I was able to claim head-of-household and get an extra tax deduction. I believe that it is to encourage people to actually take in their relatives that can't work or can't find a job or who might be going to school. This exemption is only available for blood relations, in-laws, step-family, or foster/adopted children. It is not available for a significant other who isn't a federally recognized spouse.
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    Re: Gay Marriage Fails to get on California Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    OK now pay attention there might be a test my left wing friend..........I want you to check out the 14th amendment to the constitution, the equal protection clause and get back to me.............

    Here is another hint for you............you can Google on it to get the constitution....do you know how to do that?

    Now the next time come to class prepared............
    Your attitude problem aside, I'm familiar with the 14th amendment. What's the point?
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    Re: Gay Marriage Fails to get on California Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Why is that DD?
    I JUST explained it to you Navy. The vast majority of the backers of gay marriage want to wait until 2012 to put it on the ballot. There was a small group that wanted to put it on this election. Personally, I think it would have been smart to put it on this ballot, but I am in the minority.

    The big financial backers are waiting until 2012. It won't have any difficulty getting on the ballot then.

    What I was commenting on was that this is in no way reflective of the voters of California not want gay marriage, which is how you are trying to spin it.
    The reality, it is simply about a small grass roots effort not having the financial backing during this election cycle. Nothing more.
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    Re: Gay Marriage Fails to get on California Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Most of the benefits are those that would make the person's spouse a legal part of their family. A father and daughter are already considered legal family members. Visitation rights, medical rights/decisions, certain employment decisions, and some estate planning benefits. Many of the others wouldn't be necessary for a father and daughter, but would with an actual spouse, such as many of the family benefits concerning adoption, stepparent status, and divorce.

    And it must also be asked why two family members would even want to bother trying to be married, when most of the benefits of marriage are directly related to making a person another loves, who is not already a part of the family, a part of the family. I'm not exactly sure why some of those other benefits are given to spouses but not immediate blood relatives.

    Some of them are given to immediate blood relations though with certain circumstances. For instance, a single person can claim head-of-household on their taxes with a qualifying dependent that is not their spouse or child. I know this because I did it the year before I got married, with my sister. She lived with me for the year, I paid all the bills, and she made below the limit for me to claim her on my taxes. I was able to claim head-of-household and get an extra tax deduction. I believe that it is to encourage people to actually take in their relatives that can't work or can't find a job or who might be going to school. This exemption is only available for blood relations, in-laws, step-family, or foster/adopted children. It is not available for a significant other who isn't a federally recognized spouse.
    In the state of Washington we Domestic PartnerRelationship law and it covers gays and older straight relatives who want be a part of it for the benefits it provvides......
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    Re: Gay Marriage Fails to get on California Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Will you pay all the taxes for me to provide the extra benefits if we allowed anyone to marry that wanted to......If you liberals would pay all the millions it will take I am sure no conservative would care...............
    If Civil unions are the exact same thing as marriage...I thought you were already willing to pay for it....aren't you Navy...or in actuality, when you were saying "it is the same thing",you were lying. You can't play it both ways.
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    Re: Gay Marriage Fails to get on California Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    OK now pay attention there might be a test my left wing friend..........I want you to check out the 14th amendment to the constitution, the equal protection clause and get back to me.............

    Here is another hint for you............you can Google on it to get the constitution....do you know how to do that?

    Now the next time come to class prepared............
    LOL....Navy trying to educate someone about the equal protection clause. Now THAT's funny.

    OK...Navy....since you now believe that you've studied up on it:

    Please explain the different levels of scrutiny and why gay marriage would be analyzed differently then polygamy under the equal protection clause.

    This should be good.
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    Re: Gay Marriage Fails to get on California Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I JUST explained it to you Navy. The vast majority of the backers of gay marriage want to wait until 2012 to put it on the ballot. There was a small group that wanted to put it on this election. Personally, I think it would have been smart to put it on this ballot, but I am in the minority.

    The big financial backers are waiting until 2012. It won't have any difficulty getting on the ballot then.

    What I was commenting on was that this is in no way reflective of the voters of California not want gay marriage, which is how you are trying to spin it.
    The reality, it is simply about a small grass roots effort not having the financial backing during this election cycle. Nothing more.


    Sounds like a real cop out to me.Like they might be starting to face reality that they can not pull this off in the 21st century..........

    I still think you should go after the DOMA..........
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    Re: Gay Marriage Fails to get on California Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    .......If you liberals would pay all the millions it will take I am sure no conservative would care...............
    Sure, just as long as YOU pay for things that I don't like such as the funding personnel for the Patriot Act and HLS as well as funding the Iraq War. When you STEP UP to do THAT, let us know.

    Until then, deal with the REALITY that you will have to pay for things you either don't approve or or use yourself and that will include marriages.

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    Re: Gay Marriage Fails to get on California Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    LOL....Navy trying to educate someone about the equal protection clause. Now THAT's funny.

    OK...Navy....since you now believe that you've studied up on it:

    Please explain the different levels of scrutiny and why gay marriage would be analyzed differently then polygamy under the equal protection clause.

    This should be good.
    I am not the only one doing it DD.........Scholars are.........
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    Re: Gay Marriage Fails to get on California Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Sounds like a real cop out to me.Like they might be starting to face reality that they can not pull this off in the 21st century..........

    I still think you should go after the DOMA..........
    Oh...don't worry Navy. You will see it across the country in your lifetime.
    DOMA will be irrelevant.
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