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    Re: Gay Marriage Fails to get on California Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    And it's the incest card. You need bestiality and polygamy for the full red herring trifecta though.
    Wrong, marry only for the benefits........no sex..........

    You really crack me up redress....You have all this love for gays and gay marriage and none for polygamists........as for bestiality you brought it up,,,not us.........
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    Re: Gay Marriage Fails to get on California Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    NP, of all the people I know who are racist, bigoted, sexist, whatever, they are ALL far right CONSERVATIVES. Does that mean that all conservatives are that way? No, it just means that if you are a bigot, a sexist, a racist, odds are that you are one of those uber-cons who dwell in the far right wing of political fantasy land.
    And before anyone gets their panties in a twist, I feel the same about the far left.
    Extreme adherance to far out idealism is not an indication of intellect, whether it be righty tighties, or leftie loosies.
    All people like that can do is make their party look bad....if that is your purpose, congratulations. You have won that battle. But, you lose the war.

    You are so wrong...........Because a person has a different opinion on Gay marriage does not make him a bigot or homophobe........A lot of you lefties are against polygamy marriage.........Do I call you names because of that? All we ask is the same respect........You preach tolerance for gays, yet you are the intolerant ones when it comes to polygamy...........
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    Re: Gay Marriage Fails to get on California Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    I'm not upset, I'm just a little concerned that you are not listening to me. If you wanna keep calling me names (left wing, your friend, etc.) then have at it. Otherwise please get back to the issue.

    My point was that I am only calling you out, only you. If you don't believe that then I guess this whole thing is pointless and we can stop arguing over the little things so we can continue on topic.

    In me experience, yes, most racists I have met or seen have been conservatives, but that's doesn't mean I'm picking on conservatives in general, I'm picking you. Please understand that.
    Because a person has a different opinion on Gay marriage does not make him a bigot or homophobe........A lot of you lefties are against polygamy marriage.........Do I call you names because of that? All we ask is the same respect........You preach tolerance for gays, yet you are the intolerant ones when it comes to polygamy...........
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    Re: Gay Marriage Fails to get on California Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    It really is. Makes me wonder what the point is.

    Tell me, have you ever changed anyone's mind on here? I don't believe I have.
    Not to my knowledge, but I don't argue this topic to convince those I am arguing with, but to convince those who might be quietly reading. For those, I think the most compelling argument is that marriages create a more stable environment for raising children, either their own, adopted, or fostered.
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    Re: Gay Marriage Fails to get on California Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Wrong, marry only for the benefits........no sex..........

    You really crack me up redress....You have all this love for gays and gay marriage and none for polygamists........as for bestiality you brought it up,,,not us.........
    And apparently the reason for bringing them up went way over your head. They are all red herrings. We are not talking about legalizing incest, bestiality, nor polygamy. Any one who wants to argue those points is free to, but it is not the topic, and has exactly jack **** to do with gay marriage.
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    Re: Gay Marriage Fails to get on California Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Because a person has a different opinion on Gay marriage does not make him a bigot or homophobe........A lot of you lefties are against polygamy marriage.........Do I call you names because of that? All we ask is the same respect........You preach tolerance for gays, yet you are the intolerant ones when it comes to polygamy...........
    You assume that you know what I think about polygamy, when the truth is I really don't care, its none of my business, just as gay marriage is none of my business. If you wanna divert the issue and talk about polygamy, I'm sure we can find the appropriate thread.

    If you wanna play the opinion card go ahead, because both you know and I know that it makes every discussion completely pointless. If you wanna continue down that road then I quit.

    I refuse to engage in a pointless, circular discussion with you.
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    Re: Gay Marriage Fails to get on California Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Because a person has a different opinion on Gay marriage does not make him a bigot or homophobe........A lot of you lefties are against polygamy marriage.........Do I call you names because of that? All we ask is the same respect........You preach tolerance for gays, yet you are the intolerant ones when it comes to polygamy...........
    Being polyamorous, I'm all in favor of marriages between more than two people provided everyone is consenting
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    Re: Gay Marriage Fails to get on California Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Because a person has a different opinion on Gay marriage does not make him a bigot or homophobe........A lot of you lefties are against polygamy marriage.........Do I call you names because of that? All we ask is the same respect........You preach tolerance for gays, yet you are the intolerant ones when it comes to polygamy...........
    Again...Navy....your right to have a different opinion....true....does not make you a bigot or homophobe.

    However, your arrogant belief that others should be forced to live my your beliefs DOES.

    Your right to your opinion ends where it directly impacts an individuals right to make the most intimate decisions in their own lives.
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    Re: Gay Marriage Fails to get on California Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    excellent. so my suit to allow me to marry my two cousins will definitely succeed then?
    It could. It would depend. If you understand equal protection analysis, you will know that your example would not be analyzed under the same criteria as gay marriage.

    When the Supreme Court looks at an equal protection issue, they make two classifications: Does the infringement affect a "suspect class" and is the right involved a fundamental one?

    The court then engages in an analysis involving "scrutiny" based on the classification. "Strict Scrutiny" requiring the state to show a "compelling" governmental interest to justify the discrimination (if the group is a suspect class). Intermediate scrutiny requiring the state to show an "important" governmental interest for a quasi suspect class. And "standard" scrutiny, requiring the state to show a "legitimate" governmental interest for all other cases.

    Gays have generally been analyzed under the intermediate level. Your example would likely be analyzed under the standard scrutiny.

    Thus for the governmental restriction against gay marriage, the government will have to show an "important" governmental interest in order for the discrimination to be upheld.

    In your example the government would only have to show a "legitimate" governmental interest....a much lower standard.
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    Re: Gay Marriage Fails to get on California Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    You assume that you know what I think about polygamy, when the truth is I really don't care, its none of my business, just as gay marriage is none of my business. If you wanna divert the issue and talk about polygamy, I'm sure we can find the appropriate thread.

    If you wanna play the opinion card go ahead, because both you know and I know that it makes every discussion completely pointless. If you wanna continue down that road then I quit.

    I refuse to engage in a pointless, circular discussion with you.
    OK fair enough.....How do you feel about brothers and sisters marrying or fathers and daughters strictly for the benefits, no sex involved....is that ok?
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