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    US troops fire on Afghan bus, killing at least 5 civilians

    I totally support our military efforts in Afghanistan, but incidents like this make me question if our military can be trusted to prosecute a war without killing innocent people. What rules of engagement could possibly justify opening fire on a crowded bus?

    U.S. Troops Fire on Afghan Bus, Killing at Least 5 Civilians - NYTimes.com
    One of the bus passengers and a man who identified himself as the driver said that an American convoy about 70 yards ahead of the bus opened fire as the bus began to pull to the side of the road to allow another military convoy traveling behind to pass.

    The two convoys and the bus were on the main highway in Sanzari, about 15 miles west of Kandahar city. All of the windows on one side of the bus were shot out.

    Troops opened fire on the bus just after daybreak as it was taking dozens of passengers to Nimruz Province, said Zalmy Ayoubi, a spokesman for the Kandahar provincial governor.

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    Re: US troops fire on Afghan bus, killing at least 5 civilians

    In your opinion, does our military every do anything right?
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    Re: US troops fire on Afghan bus, killing at least 5 civilians

    From your article


    The American military confirmed the shooting but there were disputes over details, including whether the troops who fired on the bus had first shot flares and warned the driver to stay back.





    but don't let that stop you from smearing the US and the Troops for your politics before all the facts are in.
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    Re: US troops fire on Afghan bus, killing at least 5 civilians

    Aside from not having a solid breakdown of details from the incident - there is also a lack of communication about the events and even what happend to the driver and whether or not he was killed:

    She also said that immediately before the shooting the troops fired three flares toward the bus to warn the driver he was following too closely, and that one soldier raised his fist in the air as another warning. She also said the driver of the bus was killed.
    However, the man who identified himself as the driver said the bus did not violate any signal from the troops.
    One thing that's often made quite clear is that immediate reports are never accurate - it takes quite a bit of time for them to interview all those involved and hear all sides of the story. Thus, in the beginning is too soon to draw any accurate conclusions.
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    Re: US troops fire on Afghan bus, killing at least 5 civilians

    This I can understand. The troops in the convoy ahead saw the bus slow down. What they were thinking was that this on this bus their was a bomb capable enough of destroying the other military convoy that the driver was "supposely" allowing for him to pass by. So that once the convoy was at the side of the bus the bus would blow up and BOOM! the military convoy is destroyed with every soldier in it. If anything those troops in the convoy ahead saved lives.

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    Re: US troops fire on Afghan bus, killing at least 5 civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
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    The American military confirmed the shooting but there were disputes over details, including whether the troops who fired on the bus had first shot flares and warned the driver to stay back.





    but don't let that stop you from smearing the US and the Troops for your politics before all the facts are in.
    Par for the course for anti military folks
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    Re: US troops fire on Afghan bus, killing at least 5 civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    In your opinion, does our military every do anything right?
    Ignoring this article for a moment, just a question, is it possible to ever criticize the military on any action they take? Or is any criticism always seen as being anti military? I really am curious.

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    Re: US troops fire on Afghan bus, killing at least 5 civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    I totally support our military efforts in Afghanistan,
    LOL, yeah right.

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    Re: US troops fire on Afghan bus, killing at least 5 civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    I totally support our military efforts in Afghanistan, but incidents like this make me question if our military can be trusted to prosecute a war without killing innocent people. What rules of engagement could possibly justify opening fire on a crowded bus?

    U.S. Troops Fire on Afghan Bus, Killing at Least 5 Civilians - NYTimes.com
    Is it possible to engage in any war without killing civilians? I mean, it's hardly a requirement of war, it's just something nice if it happens. Much like it would be nice if I found $100 bill while grocery shopping. I'll appreciate it, but I won't expect it as part of my grocery shopping experience. Civillian deaths are to be expected from war.
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    Re: US troops fire on Afghan bus, killing at least 5 civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Is it possible to engage in any war without killing civilians? I mean, it's hardly a requirement of war, it's just something nice if it happens. Much like it would be nice if I found $100 bill while grocery shopping. I'll appreciate it, but I won't expect it as part of my grocery shopping experience. Civillian deaths are to be expected from war.
    It is however, one reason war should be avoided if possible. The willingness to enter a war too readily leads to these types of things, which is why our leaders deserve more criticism than they have received.

    Still, even saying that, war isn't a blank check to do anything. There are still lines and the question will be and should be did these people cross any line.

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