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    Re: US troops fire on Afghan bus, killing at least 5 civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    I am apalled by the cavalier disregard of the majority of contributors to this thread, who feel that in the interest of "better be safe than sorry", it is permissable to light up an entire bus full of passengers. If that is the continuing opinion of the veterans on this board, then your service was not honorable. This nation is better than that, and I believe our servicemen and women are not served by your attempts to associate with them.
    It's a bus that the soldiers reportedly went to great lengths to not fire upon. At some point, when the bus is not stopping despite all the signaling(which puts those signaling at some risk), they have to be able to open fire. There is nothing cavalier about that.
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    Re: US troops fire on Afghan bus, killing at least 5 civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It's a bus that the soldiers reportedly went to great lengths to not fire upon. At some point, when the bus is not stopping despite all the signaling(which puts those signaling at some risk), they have to be able to open fire. There is nothing cavalier about that.



    I'd argue at a certain point not firing upon it would be being cavilier with ones own life.
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    Re: US troops fire on Afghan bus, killing at least 5 civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I'd argue at a certain point not firing upon it would be being cavilier with ones own life.
    And those one is closest to. If it makes me a bad person to kill to protect those I live, sleep, eat, ****, shower with every day, I am ok with that.
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    Re: US troops fire on Afghan bus, killing at least 5 civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    And those one is closest to. If it makes me a bad person to kill to protect those I live, sleep, eat, ****, shower with every day, I am ok with that.



    Hell, they might catch me "laughing" about it.....
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    Re: US troops fire on Afghan bus, killing at least 5 civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I'd argue at a certain point not firing upon it would be being cavilier with ones own life.
    a cowardly sentiment from a supposed veteran

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    Re: US troops fire on Afghan bus, killing at least 5 civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    a cowardly sentiment from a supposed veteran
    Dude, what? That doesn't even make sense. You're saying at no point should soldiers have fired on that bus. Barreling down a sidewalk, closing in on a school, doesn't matter to you!
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    Re: US troops fire on Afghan bus, killing at least 5 civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    a cowardly sentiment from a supposed veteran
    Walk away Rev, he's not worth it...
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    Re: US troops fire on Afghan bus, killing at least 5 civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    I don't know if anyone's saying that. It's just some people are annoyed that our soldiers are expected to walk on egg shells while they are being shot at.
    I don't think any reasonable person expects that. The mission they have been given is a tough one to say the least, but it is the mission. They are not fighting any army, really. Not fighting any country. So, they are charged with nation building and winning hearts and minds. Not the mission they are best designed for, but the one they have. Again, that's why I think our leaders share some of the blame here.

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    Re: US troops fire on Afghan bus, killing at least 5 civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Ahh... ok, so your spin is they are all guilty but "not enough evidence"... So much for "innocent until proven guilty"..

    Note some of those marines were not just dismissed or acquitted, but were declared "innocent"....


    I figured you were going there, but wanted to give you the rope to hang yourself.
    No spin. The fact is it did go anywhere due to lack of evidence. I said nothing about their guilt one way or the other. You are again reading into things that which is not there.

    BTW, there was this in the link:

    As of June 17, 2008, six defendants had their cases dropped and one was found not guilty. The exception is SSgt. Wuterich, whose trial date has been postponed.[12] At least three officers have been officially reprimanded for failing to properly initially report and investigate the killings.[13]
    And the only reason it was mentioned was to say the military charged them, not anyone else.
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    Re: US troops fire on Afghan bus, killing at least 5 civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    While it is true some jump to that conclusion, there are also others who see any questioning as condemnation. I just think we need a little balance. And that requires an admission that they can go too far.
    I think the military leadership DOES examine when people have gone too far. Unlike the murderous scumbags that look into the camera gleefully singing to Allah while the chop a prisoners head off, we investigated and tried and ultimately convicted and jailed people for 'embarrasing' prisoners at Abu Graib.

    The story that was posted cited one or two lines that might be interpreted that the military did indeed exercise restraint and attempted to warn the bus. Was that balanced? Fair? While this convoy of 'nation builders' was busy clearing the highway of mines and IEDs that the POS scumbags planted, they by their account had a bus that refused to slow down despite repeated warnings.

    Start with THAT...and I bet we could have a pretty balanced discussion.

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