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    Re: US troops fire on Afghan bus, killing at least 5 civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Laughing is a coping mechanism..... Don't take it to seriously.


    I agree thought it just disturbed me a little. That they took it that casually thought



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    Re: US troops fire on Afghan bus, killing at least 5 civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I have tried to stay away from this particular incident as we really don't have enough information and comment only on your statement, which was:



    When you declare that there is never an if, you are actually saying you don't really want to know and don't care about the facts of any case. I see this far too often and is the point I have been trying to make.
    Where exactly did the good Reverend say that? Please note the portion in red.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I give them, US troops, our brothers and sisters the benefit of the doubt.... there is no "if" in my book at this point.
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    Re: US troops fire on Afghan bus, killing at least 5 civilians

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    I agree thought it just disturbed me a little. That they took it that casually thought



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    Like I said in the other thread. You would be appalled at some of the things we laughed at.
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    Re: US troops fire on Afghan bus, killing at least 5 civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    I totally support our military efforts in Afghanistan, but incidents like this make me question if our military can be trusted to prosecute a war without killing innocent people. What rules of engagement could possibly justify opening fire on a crowded bus?

    U.S. Troops Fire on Afghan Bus, Killing at Least 5 Civilians - NYTimes.com
    Better safe than sorry.As long as terrorist use IEDs,fire from civilian areas and around civilians, civilians will always get hurts.Heck as long as wars are fought in populated areas civilians will always get hurt. Its not the enemy is going to agree to fight outside the populated areas. Perhaps they need to air (or air more if they already do)tv commercials,billboard ads, and news paper ads informing the civilians dangers of ignoring warning shots and flares and not to travel to close to military convoys. Do you expect the military to take an extra chance with their safety when a bus ignores their warning flares?
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    Re: US troops fire on Afghan bus, killing at least 5 civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Like I said in the other thread. You would be appalled at some of the things we laughed at.
    lol

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    Re: US troops fire on Afghan bus, killing at least 5 civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Having not checked this thread since I started it, I guess I shouldn't be surprised at the foaming anger from the gung-ho simpletons, though I really don't see how I deserved it. I thought I made it clear I support our military in Afghanistan, apparently they assume I'm lying.

    I understand the concern of soldiers when a civilian vehicle comes close to a convoy, what I don't understand is why a civilian bus doesn't rate a little extra care. Sure they fired flares, if they flares are misunderstood does that justify killing everyone on the bus? This wasn't a van, it was a large bus that travels between cities. As was stated in the article, the bus was caught between two military convoys, and the driver got confused. At some point the military has to prioritize civilian life over the risk of the bus driver using his entire passenger load as a suicide bomb. There is no precedent for such a vehicle being used for terrorism.
    Yes, you are lying. I'm not sure how you can "totally support" the troops and then wonder if you can trust them. I think it's pretty obvious that you do not trust our troops and therefore you don't "totally support" them. Just seems like typical smokescreening I've seen from some on the left before so they don't appear to be bashing the troops. Your mask slipped just a tad there.

    BTW, could you point out the "foaming anger" in this thread? I haven't seen it.

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    I totally support our military efforts in Afghanistan, but incidents like this make me question if our military can be trusted to prosecute a war without killing innocent people. What rules of engagement could possibly justify opening fire on a crowded bus?
    "I believe in a Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, but not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings."

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    Re: US troops fire on Afghan bus, killing at least 5 civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It is however, one reason war should be avoided if possible. The willingness to enter a war too readily leads to these types of things, which is why our leaders deserve more criticism than they have received.

    Still, even saying that, war isn't a blank check to do anything. There are still lines and the question will be and should be did these people cross any line.
    Its fine that the question be asked. I think the heartburn comes with the kneejerk tendency of some people to automatically assume the absolute worst about US ttroops.

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    Re: US troops fire on Afghan bus, killing at least 5 civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Its fine that the question be asked. I think the heartburn comes with the kneejerk tendency of some people to automatically assume the absolute worst about US ttroops.
    While it is true some jump to that conclusion, there are also others who see any questioning as condemnation. I just think we need a little balance. And that requires an admission that they can go too far.

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    Re: US troops fire on Afghan bus, killing at least 5 civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Gander View Post
    Constructive criticism is necessary. Slanted analysis that fails to consider all the facts is not.
    Who is calling for slanted analysis?

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    Re: US troops fire on Afghan bus, killing at least 5 civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    There is middle ground and I'm not missing it. I just don't care. If they want to be safe and play it conservative with what they consider enough information, that's fine by me.

    I imagine the military does agree with me. Unless you have specific instances of soldiers being disciplined for firing when they were feeling threatened? I'm sure there will be an investigation, and possibly they will let these soldiers know if they did anything wrong. I would be extremely surprised if they're prosecuted.
    I might be surprised as well, but you will note that those who faced prosecution in Iraq were charged by the military and not civilians.

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