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    Re: US troops fire on Afghan bus, killing at least 5 civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Ignoring this article for a moment, just a question, is it possible to ever criticize the military on any action they take? Or is any criticism always seen as being anti military? I really am curious.
    Constructive criticism is necessary. Slanted analysis that fails to consider all the facts is not.

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    Re: US troops fire on Afghan bus, killing at least 5 civilians

    Having not checked this thread since I started it, I guess I shouldn't be surprised at the foaming anger from the gung-ho simpletons, though I really don't see how I deserved it. I thought I made it clear I support our military in Afghanistan, apparently they assume I'm lying.

    I understand the concern of soldiers when a civilian vehicle comes close to a convoy, what I don't understand is why a civilian bus doesn't rate a little extra care. Sure they fired flares, if they flares are misunderstood does that justify killing everyone on the bus? This wasn't a van, it was a large bus that travels between cities. As was stated in the article, the bus was caught between two military convoys, and the driver got confused. At some point the military has to prioritize civilian life over the risk of the bus driver using his entire passenger load as a suicide bomb. There is no precedent for such a vehicle being used for terrorism.

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    Re: US troops fire on Afghan bus, killing at least 5 civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Having not checked this thread since I started it, I guess I shouldn't be surprised at the foaming anger from the gung-ho simpletons, though I really don't see how I deserved it. I thought I made it clear I support our military in Afghanistan, apparently they assume I'm lying.

    I understand the concern of soldiers when a civilian vehicle comes close to a convoy, what I don't understand is why a civilian bus doesn't rate a little extra care. Sure they fired flares, if they flares are misunderstood does that justify killing everyone on the bus? This wasn't a van, it was a large bus that travels between cities. As was stated in the article, the bus was caught between two military convoys, and the driver got confused. At some point the military has to prioritize civilian life over the risk of the bus driver using his entire passenger load as a suicide bomb. There is no precedent for such a vehicle being used for terrorism.
    Is there some unspoken rule or law which says, "Buses cannot be used as vehicle-borne IED's, therefore they are never to be engaged"?

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    Re: US troops fire on Afghan bus, killing at least 5 civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Having not checked this thread since I started it, I guess I shouldn't be surprised at the foaming anger from the gung-ho simpletons, though I really don't see how I deserved it. I thought I made it clear I support our military in Afghanistan, apparently they assume I'm lying.


    I think you are lying. Your history has shown a disdain for those who serve. :

    your tantrum over critisizm also indicatates issues as we "gung ho simpleton" are mostly veterans.



    I understand the concern of soldiers when a civilian vehicle comes close to a convoy, what I don't understand is why a civilian bus doesn't rate a little extra care. Sure they fired flares, if they flares are misunderstood does that justify killing everyone on the bus? This wasn't a van, it was a large bus that travels between cities. As was stated in the article, the bus was caught between two military convoys, and the driver got confused. At some point the military has to prioritize civilian life over the risk of the bus driver using his entire passenger load as a suicide bomb. There is no precedent for such a vehicle being used for terrorism.



    Did you bother to read about the warnings/flares etc? Or does that not fit in with your agenda?
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    Re: US troops fire on Afghan bus, killing at least 5 civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I don't think there is only the two extremes. There is a lot of middle ground, which I think you're missing, that doesn't require they shoot first. I think you will find the military doesn't agree with and as in the past, will investigate, and if they see a problem, they will act. The military, not anyone else, has sought prosecution before.
    There is middle ground and I'm not missing it. I just don't care. If they want to be safe and play it conservative with what they consider enough information, that's fine by me.

    I imagine the military does agree with me. Unless you have specific instances of soldiers being disciplined for firing when they were feeling threatened? I'm sure there will be an investigation, and possibly they will let these soldiers know if they did anything wrong. I would be extremely surprised if they're prosecuted.
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    Re: US troops fire on Afghan bus, killing at least 5 civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Having not checked this thread since I started it, I guess I shouldn't be surprised at the foaming anger from the gung-ho simpletons, though I really don't see how I deserved it. I thought I made it clear I support our military in Afghanistan, apparently they assume I'm lying.

    I understand the concern of soldiers when a civilian vehicle comes close to a convoy, what I don't understand is why a civilian bus doesn't rate a little extra care. Sure they fired flares, if they flares are misunderstood does that justify killing everyone on the bus? This wasn't a van, it was a large bus that travels between cities. As was stated in the article, the bus was caught between two military convoys, and the driver got confused. At some point the military has to prioritize civilian life over the risk of the bus driver using his entire passenger load as a suicide bomb. There is no precedent for such a vehicle being used for terrorism.
    Ah yes. Because suicide bombers are known for their rational behavior.
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    Re: US troops fire on Afghan bus, killing at least 5 civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Ah yes. Because suicide bombers are known for their rational behavior.




    Stop it with your logic and common sense you gung-ho simpleton!
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    Re: US troops fire on Afghan bus, killing at least 5 civilians

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    Stop it with your logic and common sense you gung-ho simpleton!
    You forgot my foaming anger!
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    Re: US troops fire on Afghan bus, killing at least 5 civilians

    For me, I rather them act quickly to save other people lives. However, I do not condone people laughing at a person, because they were shot like in the Apache Helicopter video type.

    However, in this incident I do not see anything that they did wrong, so I will not draw any conclusions, until I see more evidence in this matter.
    Last edited by RyrineaHaruno; 04-12-10 at 02:56 PM.

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    Re: US troops fire on Afghan bus, killing at least 5 civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    For me, I rather them act quickly to save other people lives. However, I do not condone people laughing at a person, because they were shot like in the Apache Helicopter video type.

    However, in this incident I do not see anything that they did wrong, so I will not draw any conclusions, until I see more evidence in this matter.



    Laughing is a coping mechanism..... Don't take it to seriously.
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