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    Re: US troops fire on Afghan bus, killing at least 5 civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    I'd rather them be too shaky, too reckless, or too quick to act 100% of the time then put themselves in harm's way.
    They are in harms way; it is their job. Professionals understand this and still manage to work within the confines of that job. These are professional soldiers and not civilians with no training. As professionals, they are accountable for their actions. No different than any other professional.

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    Re: US troops fire on Afghan bus, killing at least 5 civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    They are in harms way; it is their job. Professionals understand this and still manage to work within the confines of that job. These are professional soldiers and not civilians with no training. As professionals, they are accountable for their actions. No different than any other professional.
    They are. And when they are in harm's way, I expect them to act and ask questions later. So when they do act they way they are trained, it's hardly fair to turn around and question them about why they acted in the first place.
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    Re: US troops fire on Afghan bus, killing at least 5 civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Selective quoting... You forgot "at this point"..... FAIL
    Nothing selective about it. It was your entire quote. "at this point" doesn't negate your comment. For all I know, it is your point in life. You point as it relates to how you feel about war crimes. If you mean something more specific, be more more specific.

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    Re: US troops fire on Afghan bus, killing at least 5 civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    They are. And when they are in harm's way, I expect them to act and ask questions later. So when they do act they way they are trained, it's hardly fair to turn around and question them about why they acted in the first place.
    It's how they act that is in question. If they act properly, I'm with you. If they act improperly, there will be consequences regardless of how any of us feel. Do you really think I'm wrong about that?

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    Re: US troops fire on Afghan bus, killing at least 5 civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Nothing selective about it. It was your entire quote. "at this point" doesn't negate your comment. For all I know, it is your point in life. You point as it relates to how you feel about war crimes. If you mean something more specific, be more more specific.




    If you want to play obtuse, we can end this exercise now.....


    "at this point' was clear, innocent until proven guilty. Lets not start the boo radley shuffle for once. Thanks.


    "at this point" I believe these honorable men acted in good faith, Until you provide me with evidence they did not, I will not consider them guilty of anything.


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    Re: US troops fire on Afghan bus, killing at least 5 civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's how they act that is in question. If they act properly, I'm with you. If they act improperly, there will be consequences regardless of how any of us feel. Do you really think I'm wrong about that?
    Yes, I really do. If they wait to have all necessary information before they act, they could quite realistically be killed. Therefore, we are expecting them to act before they have all the information they need. If based off of the information they have available, they feel they are threatened and act, that's the end of the story as far as consequences are concerned, whether their actions turn out to be proper or not.
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    Re: US troops fire on Afghan bus, killing at least 5 civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Yes, I really do. If they wait to have all necessary information before they act, they could quite realistically be killed. Therefore, we are expecting them to act before they have all the information they need. If based off of the information they have available, they feel they are threatened and act, that's the end of the story as far as consequences are concerned, whether their actions turn out to be proper or not.



    Exactly...... It's common sense to those of us who served and most people for that matter.
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    Re: US troops fire on Afghan bus, killing at least 5 civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Yes, I really do. If they wait to have all necessary information before they act, they could quite realistically be killed. Therefore, we are expecting them to act before they have all the information they need. If based off of the information they have available, they feel they are threatened and act, that's the end of the story as far as consequences are concerned, whether their actions turn out to be proper or not.
    I don't think there is only the two extremes. There is a lot of middle ground, which I think you're missing, that doesn't require they shoot first. I think you will find the military doesn't agree with and as in the past, will investigate, and if they see a problem, they will act. The military, not anyone else, has sought prosecution before.

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    Re: US troops fire on Afghan bus, killing at least 5 civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    If you want to play obtuse, we can end this exercise now.....


    "at this point' was clear, innocent until proven guilty. Lets not start the boo radley shuffle for once. Thanks.


    "at this point" I believe these honorable men acted in good faith, Until you provide me with evidence they did not, I will not consider them guilty of anything.


    I can not make it any simpler for you.
    As I have not pronounced them guilty, and have said repeatedly I have no way of knowing, your statement, if read the way you want it read, seems to be addressed to someone else. If you're talking to me, it must mean something else.

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    Re: US troops fire on Afghan bus, killing at least 5 civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I don't think there is only the two extremes. There is a lot of middle ground, which I think you're missing, that doesn't require they shoot first. I think you will find the military doesn't agree with and as in the past, will investigate, and if they see a problem, they will act. The military, not anyone else, has sought prosecution before.




    You are not paying attention.


    She also said that immediately before the shooting the troops fired three flares toward the bus to warn the driver he was following too closely, and that one soldier raised his fist in the air as another warning. She also said the driver of the bus was killed.
    However, the man who identified himself as the driver said the bus did not violate any signal from the troops





    They didn't just "shoot first" according to them. Please keep the facts straight. Thanks.
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