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    Re: Hillary Clinton fears al-Qaeda is obtaining nuclear weapons material

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    AS I understand it, the withdrawal date is far from firm. Not sure on that, but that is how I remember it.
    Of course it is, the Afghan surge hasn't even been fully realized right, if we stuck to that date they'd be arriving and literally getting right back on the plane.

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    Re: Hillary Clinton fears al-Qaeda is obtaining nuclear weapons material

    clinton is correct

    pakistan is the problem

    pakistan is nuked

    al qaeda is in pakistan, NOT afghanistan

    that is, the enemy he seeks is not even part of OBAMA'S WAR

    this is why the president has been conducting what the london times calls his "secret war in pakistan"

    School bombing exposes Obama’s secret war inside Pakistan - Times Online

    cambodia, anyone?

    obama ESCALATED afghanistan even tho his own centcom says the enemy is next door

    FOXNews.com - Petraeus: Al Qaeda No Longer Operating in Afghanistan

    the ultimate success of our strategy over there, therefore, is more dependent on corrupt and incompetent zardari than it is on the heroic efforts of our own troops

    joe biden, long time chair of foreign relations, has always passed himself off as particular pakistan expert, he's been warning for decades

    pakistan is UNSTABLE, pakistan is NUKED, pakistan is HOME of aq

    biden took obama to task in the primaries over the then-candidate's "naive" approach towards pakistan

    Biden also calls Obama 'Naive' - First Read - msnbc.com

    our soldiers are dying over there in record numbers for a cause that's all confused and unclear

    escalation, lies, secret wars, the wrong enemy---worst of nixon and bush
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    Post Re: Hillary Clinton fears al-Qaeda is obtaining nuclear weapons material

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Sorry for totally taking this topic off topic, but you actually can carry a dangerous amount of nuclear material in a very small container. And many states, such as Russia, do not have total accountability for their nuclear weapons. It is theoretically possible that one of these missing devices could end up in the hands of a terrorist, which is why Obama has been so keen on nuclear weapons. We need to get an accurate and 100% count of these weapons, which is impossible but should be goal and to do that we need to work with their owns, ie the Russians.
    What I mean by nuclear material is not just the HEU or HEP, but the explosive capacity to get HEU or HEP to reach critical mass. If by some highly unrealistic chance that al-Qa'ida got it's hands on nuclear material, and sufficient explosives, then the threat would not be like dumping small pox onto a crowded subway, but more like we could not live in a certain area because of contamination.

    al-Qa'ida aims to strike symbolic blows against the West, and any civilian deaths are just a bonus. We are more likely to see a historical European city to be attacked with a dirty-bomb than the United States; could you imagine what it would be like if 30% of Paris was uninhabitable.

    Although, I think we need to spend resources else where. al-Qa'ida is not going to happen upon loose nuclear material any time soon. Hell stable countries with more connections and way more money than al-Qa'ida still are nuke-less.
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    Re: Hillary Clinton fears al-Qaeda is obtaining nuclear weapons material

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    The current strategy is to ignore the high mountains and go after the cities, which are on valley floors and in lower level areas, thats been stated already.

    Also I'm wondering how this plan is going to win him a re-election, how does putting 30,000 extra troops in for 18 months, then withdrawing all troops before the election going to make him win? I know you don't think it will but how do you suppose he thinks it will?
    America is tired of war and he will not win a reelection with boots on the ground in Afghanistan. Not a chance in hell and Obama knows it. Basically he's "fighting the good fight" and he'll be declaring an Afghan "victory" as soon as he pulls them out. Guaranteed!
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    Re: Hillary Clinton fears al-Qaeda is obtaining nuclear weapons material

    See, in Coucilman's simplistic fox news view of the world all you need is a little radioactive material to make an atomic bomb.

    Thanks for another non-story hyper-spin fear fest Coucilman.

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    Re: Hillary Clinton fears al-Qaeda is obtaining nuclear weapons material

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    It is highly unlikely that al-Qa'ida will be able to obtain nuclear materials. You just can't carry it in your pocket. Not to mention that al-Qa'ida has no friends in any state that has access to nuclear materials.
    Ah, to the contrary, given the lack of security in many FSU states, it is only a matter of time, if it has not happened already. Remember, all you really need is about 40 lbs of Uranium to make a crude gun type. So breaking in to a non-guarded facility and dropping the material into a lead container is pretty much all you need to do.

    I really wouldn't worry too much about plutonium. Terrorists don't have the capacity to build implosion types. That type of weapon is generally beyond even small state's abilities. But US engineers have shown that it is possible to build a gun type from parts bought at a local radio shack.
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    Re: Hillary Clinton fears al-Qaeda is obtaining nuclear weapons material

    Quote Originally Posted by PonyBoy View Post
    Scale back on 90% of the troops, and then deploy special ops and contractors for intel purposes and start relying on our drones. The average boot has no business in those mountains fighting this enemy. These Afghan/Taliban fighters are no joke. Some of those fighters up in those mountains fought in the Afghan/Soviet war.

    Clear out most of our troops ans just start dialing in the coordinates on enemy holdouts. It might take longer but it would save troops.
    Okay....how does this secure territory to ensure that the Taliban doesn't retake towns?

    I've never heard of any successful COIN operation that won by not denying terrorists support from the local people short of killing everyone.
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    Re: Hillary Clinton fears al-Qaeda is obtaining nuclear weapons material

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    See, in Coucilman's simplistic fox news view of the world all you need is a little radioactive material to make an atomic bomb.

    Thanks for another non-story hyper-spin fear fest Coucilman.
    To a degree this is true. Gun types are really not that hard to build. South Africa had something like a dozen without anyone knowing about it. I suspect Israel started off with gun types. Simple and reliable. Uranium based bombs are much easier to build them plutonium which is somewhat of a credit to the North Koreans who managed to build implosion based devices.

    What is amusing is that Clinton is saying the same stuff Bush was back in 2001. How short some peoples' memories are.
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    Re: Hillary Clinton fears al-Qaeda is obtaining nuclear weapons material

    Welcome to 1992.
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    Re: Hillary Clinton fears al-Qaeda is obtaining nuclear weapons material

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Welcome to 1992.
    Pretty much. Except we actually might do something about it this time around. Clinton was almost as much epic fail as Bush was on proliferation.

    And it was well documented that Al Qaeda operatives were seeking to buy material. AQ Khan met with some of them. Bush Jr was a complete failure in preventing access to nuclear material by terrorists. God exists purely because we have not gotten nuked yet.
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