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    Re: Hillary Clinton fears al-Qaeda is obtaining nuclear weapons material

    Quote Originally Posted by PonyBoy View Post
    Troops bitch huh? Redress, You should probably thoroughly inform yourself on the 10 year long Afghan/Soviet war before you form an opinion. These ROE's are laughable. I also can tell you're very pro Obama and anything he does wrong you're going to make it sound "right". You guys are really reaching on Obamas success....which is microscopic.
    Yes they do. I was one, I know.

    The ROEs are necessary because there are more goals in Afghanistan than just destroying men. Again, feel free to read McChrystal's report, he spends some time on that.

    Remember Obamas last words before he got elected don't ya?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank. " - Barack Obamas Campaign Promise
    You are aware that Afghanistan is not Iraq, correct?

    http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/Defen...heet_FINAL.pdf

    As Obama removes our combat brigades from Iraq, he will send at least two additional brigades to Afghanistan, where the Taliban is resurgent.
    He has significantly exceeded that amount that he promised to send and that he campaigned on.
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    Re: Hillary Clinton fears al-Qaeda is obtaining nuclear weapons material

    Quote Originally Posted by PonyBoy View Post
    Exactly.

    But then again, the Soviets didn't have the more advanced arsenal of bombs we have today.

    Those Aghans have no interest in cooperating with the US. They're just telling us what we wanna hear. Look at the "democratic Afghan government" we built and put in power. The corruption is so bad and rotten to the core that they're fearing it might have lost us the war already.

    America has been taken for a ride.
    You can't occupy a country with bombs nor always know to drop them in terrain like Afghanistan.

    But otherwise I totally agree. I'm not sure what you mean by "those Afghans" I'm assuming you mean the Taliban but in many cases the Karzi government too certainly. The corruption is terrible right now but I'm honestly not too confident on any solution to that problem, perhaps in hindsight we pushed self-governance way too fast but thats hindsight. I think the best we can do now is continue to make Afghanistan better and give more and more people faith and an interest in their government, and hopefully democracy will win through and fix it, or at least make it an "acceptable level" of corruption.

    But "hope" is hardly a strategy, diplomatic action and some "harder soft power" needs to be applied to the Afghan government.

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    Re: Hillary Clinton fears al-Qaeda is obtaining nuclear weapons material

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Yes they do. I was one, I know.

    The ROEs are necessary because there are more goals in Afghanistan than just destroying men. Again, feel free to read McChrystal's report, he spends some time on that.



    You are aware that Afghanistan is not Iraq, correct?

    http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/Defen...heet_FINAL.pdf



    He has significantly exceeded that amount that he promised to send and that he campaigned on.
    This is the war game we're playing right now, and it appears it wont be changing until reelection time.

    We are going to sacrifice at least another 2,000 troops for the sake of "winning hearts and minds" in Afghanistan. Why are we fighting this war half halfheartedly when Obama and the Pentagon both knows this strategy will never work? We're sacrificing soldiers for hearts and minds and a reelection in 2012. This is disturbingly obvious. You're a smart woman, and i know you can see this as well.
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    Re: Hillary Clinton fears al-Qaeda is obtaining nuclear weapons material

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    You can't occupy a country with bombs nor always know to drop them in terrain like Afghanistan.

    But otherwise I totally agree. I'm not sure what you mean by "those Afghans" I'm assuming you mean the Taliban but in many cases the Karzi government too certainly. The corruption is terrible right now but I'm honestly not too confident on any solution to that problem, perhaps in hindsight we pushed self-governance way too fast but thats hindsight. I think the best we can do now is continue to make Afghanistan better and give more and more people faith and an interest in their government, and hopefully democracy will win through and fix it, or at least make it an "acceptable level" of corruption.

    But "hope" is hardly a strategy, diplomatic action and some "harder soft power" needs to be applied to the Afghan government.
    I can honestly say that I'm not even sure what our original goal was in Afghanistan in the first place...
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    Re: Hillary Clinton fears al-Qaeda is obtaining nuclear weapons material

    Quote Originally Posted by PonyBoy View Post
    This is the war game we're playing right now, and it appears it wont be changing until reelection time.

    We are going to sacrifice at least another 2,000 troops for the sake of "winning hearts and minds" in Afghanistan. Why are we fighting this war half halfheartedly when Obama and the Pentagon both knows this strategy will never work? We're sacrificing soldiers for hearts and minds and a reelection in 2012. This is disturbingly obvious. You're a smart woman, and i know you can see this as well.
    Not to be cynical but it is a troop's job to place his life on the line for the mission and operate with the constraints of that mission. If winning hearts and minds is what it takes to win the war, then its a step along the way and worthy of troop's lives.

    Also again we aren't fighting this war halfheartedly, 2009 and 2010 have seen the largest amounts of troops since 2001 and the most offensive operations since the fall of the Taliban. Regardless of whether you agree with the strategy we are fighting this war harder than ever. And regardless of whether you think its for "other reasons" we are fighting this war harder than ever.

    What is your alternative strategy?

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    Re: Hillary Clinton fears al-Qaeda is obtaining nuclear weapons material

    Quote Originally Posted by PonyBoy View Post
    This is the war game we're playing right now, and it appears it wont be changing until reelection time.

    We are going to sacrifice at least another 2,000 troops for the sake of "winning hearts and minds" in Afghanistan. Why are we fighting this war half halfheartedly when Obama and the Pentagon both knows this strategy will never work? We're sacrificing soldiers for hearts and minds and a reelection in 2012. This is disturbingly obvious. You're a smart woman, and i know you can see this as well.
    We are not fighting halfheartedly. We are fighting to win. To win, we need to goodwill of the Afghanistan people. Your fixation on the election is just silly. The connection exists nowhere but in your mind.
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    Re: Hillary Clinton fears al-Qaeda is obtaining nuclear weapons material

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    We are not fighting halfheartedly. We are fighting to win. To win, we need to goodwill of the Afghanistan people. Your fixation on the election is just silly. The connection exists nowhere but in your mind.
    Umm...No it exists in quite a few Washington minds. The "goodwill" of Afghanistan people. Uh huh, These are the same conniving Afghan people who deceive, lie, and con their own. The Afghan fighters literally jump from side to side depending on which side has the momentum. These people are comical. It's even an inside running joke amongst the Afghan people as to how disloyal they are to one another.

    And these are the people we're sacrificing our soldiers for....Dear God.
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    Re: Hillary Clinton fears al-Qaeda is obtaining nuclear weapons material

    Quote Originally Posted by PonyBoy View Post
    Umm...No it exists in quite a few Washington minds. The "goodwill" of Afghanistan people. Uh huh, These are the same conniving Afghan people who deceive, lie, and con their own. The Afghan fighters literally jump from side to side depending on which side has the momentum. These people are comical. It's even an inside running joke amongst the Afghan people as to how disloyal they are to one another.

    And these are the people we're sacrificing our soldiers for....Dear God.
    No, the belief is we are sacrificing out soldiers for our security.
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    Re: Hillary Clinton fears al-Qaeda is obtaining nuclear weapons material

    The goal is to deny a safe haven to enemies of the United States and/or prevent the Afghan government from becoming violently anti-American. Its to deny a group like AQ to plan another 9/11.

    But what is your alternative strategy, and without the stereotypes and generalizations.

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    Re: Hillary Clinton fears al-Qaeda is obtaining nuclear weapons material

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Not to be cynical but it is a troop's job to place his life on the line for the mission and operate with the constraints of that mission. If winning hearts and minds is what it takes to win the war, then its a step along the way and worthy of troop's lives.

    Also again we aren't fighting this war halfheartedly, 2009 and 2010 have seen the largest amounts of troops since 2001 and the most offensive operations since the fall of the Taliban. Regardless of whether you agree with the strategy we are fighting this war harder than ever. And regardless of whether you think its for "other reasons" we are fighting this war harder than ever.

    What is your alternative strategy?
    Scale back on 90% of the troops, and then deploy special ops and contractors for intel purposes and start relying on our drones. The average boot has no business in those mountains fighting this enemy. These Afghan/Taliban fighters are no joke. Some of those fighters up in those mountains fought in the Afghan/Soviet war.

    Clear out most of our troops ans just start dialing in the coordinates on enemy holdouts. It might take longer but it would save troops.
    'In Hoc Signo Vinces'

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