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    Polish leader, 96 others dead in Russia jet crash

    Huge tragedy and unfortunate and perhaps unwise so much of the Polish leadership was on one plane Though the reason they were going was an important event. And ironically on a trip to remember other fallen officers/Katyn.
    No foul play suspected at this point.

    Polish leader, 96 others dead in Russia jet crash - Yahoo! News

    AP-Victoria Buravchenko/Monika Scislowska – 1 hr 43 mins ago
    SMOLENSK, Russia – Polish President Lech Kaczynski and some of the country's highest military and civilian leaders died on Saturday when the presidential plane crashed as it came in for a landing in thick fog in western Russia, killing 97, officials said.

    Russian and Polish officials said there were No survivors on the 26-year-old Tupolev, which was taking the president, his wife and staff to events marking the 70th anniversary of the massacre in Katyn forest of thousands of Polish officers by Soviet secret police.

    The crash devastated the upper echelons of Poland's political and military establishments. On board were the army chief of staff, the navy chief commander, and heads of the air and land forces. Also killed were the national bank president, deputy foreign minister, army chaplain, head of the National Security Office, deputy parliament speaker, Olympic Committee head, civil rights commissioner and at least two presidential aides and three lawmakers, the Polish foreign ministry said.

    Although initial signs pointed to an accident with no indication of foul play, the death of a Polish president and much of the Polish state and defense establishment in Russia en route to commemorating one of the saddest events in Poland's long, complicated history with Russia, was laden with tragic irony."...
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    Re: Polish leader, 96 others dead in Russia jet crash

    What a horrible tragedy. May the all rest in peace.
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    Re: Polish leader, 96 others dead in Russia jet crash

    Poland is in Shock.
    Presidential elections slated for October are going to be Moved up.

    Plane may have tried to land withOUT clearance on Second attempt.
    Apparently asked to land somewhere else instead by the tower and ignored.

    The particular old Russian plane had a history of problems.
    What were they doing on this lemon?

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    Re: Polish leader, 96 others dead in Russia jet crash

    UPDATED list of dead

    Lech Kaczyński, President
    Maria Kaczyńska, First Lady

    Ryszard Kaczorowski, last President-in-exile

    Krzysztof Putra, vice-Marshal of the Sejm (speaker of Parliament)
    Krystyna Bochenek, vice-Marshal of the Sejm

    Jerzy Szmajdziński, former Minister of Defence and intended Presidential Candidate for this year's election
    Władysław Stasiak, chief of the President's office
    Jacek Sasin, his deputy

    Aleksander Szczygło, chief of National Security Bureau
    Paweł Wypych, Secretary of State in President's office (note to Amerigoons: less important than it sounds)
    Mariusz Handzlik, his deputy

    Andrzej Kremer, vice-minister of Foreign Affairs
    gen. Franciszek Gągor, Chief of Staff
    Jerzy Bar, ambassador to Russia

    Andrzej Przewoźnik, major historian

    Maciej Płażyński, MP, former Marshal of the Sejm
    Przemysław Gosiewski, MP, former minister
    Zbigniew Wassermann, MP, former minister
    Izabela Jaruga-Nowacka, MP, former Minister of Social Policy
    Jolanta Szymanek-Deresz, MP, former chief of President's Office
    Aleksandra Natalii-Świat, MP, vice-president of Law and Justice party
    Leszek Deptuła, MP
    Grażyna Gęsicka, MP
    Arkadiusz Rybicki, MP
    Stanisław Zając, MP
    Edward Wojtas, MP
    Wiesław Woda, MP
    Sebastian Karpiniuk, MP
    Grzegorz Dolniak, MP

    Janusz Kochanowski, Ombudsman

    Sławomir Skrzypek, President of the Polish National Bank

    Janusz Kurtyka, President of the Institute of National Remembrance (state institution for historical research)

    bishop Tadeusz Płoski

    and the chiefs of every arm of the Armed Forces.
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    Re: Polish leader, 96 others dead in Russia jet crash

    This is going to be one major cluster **** within the Polish government.
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    Re: Polish President Lech Kaczynski 'in plane crash'

    BBC News - Looking beyond Poland's 'unprecedented disaster'

    The irony of President Lech Kaczynski dying in Russia on his way to the KATYN murders commenerartion is ammplified in theseparagraphs from a BBC story
    "Lech Kaczynski, who was elected president in 2005, used this right to carve out a role for himself in foreign policy.

    He pursued an arms-length policy towards Russia. This saw as much attention being paid to defending Georgia's independence, and that of Ukraine, as a drive for better relations with Russia relations spearheaded by the government of Prime Minister Donald Tusk. "
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    Re: Polish President Lech Kaczynski 'in plane crash'

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    BBC News - Looking beyond Poland's 'unprecedented disaster'

    The irony of President Lech Kaczynski dying in Russia on his way to the KATYN murders commenerartion is ammplified in theseparagraphs from a BBC story
    "Lech Kaczynski, who was elected president in 2005, used this right to carve out a role for himself in foreign policy.

    He pursued an arms-length policy towards Russia. This saw as much attention being paid to defending Georgia's independence, and that of Ukraine, as a drive for better relations with Russia relations spearheaded by the government of Prime Minister Donald Tusk. "
    Poland is wise to keep Russia at arms length, and strengthening its ties with the West. Poland is an important and great ally of ours.

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    Re: Polish leader, 96 others dead in Russia jet crash

    The Tupolev Tu-154M did not have a stellar record but Smolensk airport did not have ILS =Instrument Landing System
    2010 Polish Air Force Tu-154 crash - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    Poland is in Shock.
    Presidential elections slated for October are going to be Moved up.

    Plane may have tried to land withOUT clearance on Second attempt.
    Apparently asked to land somewhere else instead by the tower and ignored.

    The particular old Russian plane had a history of problems.
    What were they doing on this lemon?

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    Polish President Dies in Plane Crash
    The Tupolev Tu-154M did nothavea stellar record but Smolensk airport did not have ILS
    2010 Polish Air Force Tu-154 crash - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    "[html]Lack of ILS
    The Smolensk-North, a former military air base now in mixed military-civilian use, does not have an instrument landing system[32] that would make a landing in dense fog a routine operation; the military cargo airplanes operated out of it can land and take-off without ILS, with only basic landing support in normal mode. Its runway is also rather short and narrow for a Tu-154.

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    Re: Polish President Lech Kaczynski 'in plane crash'

    Quite devastating to Poland.
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    Re: Polish President Lech Kaczynski 'in plane crash'

    [QUOTE=MyOwnDrum;1058678887]Poland is wise to keep Russia at arms length, and strengthening its ties with the West. Poland is an important and great ally of ours.[/QUOTE

    Yes, Poland is important as a wedge country against Russia. Poland does not have a border with Russia but Poland has a good sized border with Ukraine. Poland is also a window to the West for Ukraine and that helps to keep the Russian claws off Ukraine or at least reduces the infection of Russian scratches.
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