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    Re: Some Republicans embrace 'Party of No'

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Well it's only been the form of government that we have had for over two hundred years. I guess it has been a total disaster.
    Wow, way to deliberately miss the point. I noted your dishonesty in the 55% thread, I am noting it here, again.

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    Re: Some Republicans embrace 'Party of No'

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative Sword View Post
    Wow, way to deliberately miss the point. I noted your dishonesty in the 55% thread, I am noting it here, again.
    Way to make everything personal.

    Feel free to point out how I'm being dishonest.

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    Re: Some Republicans embrace 'Party of No'

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Fox News is the most watched News Network in the country. Try again kiddo.
    Now, either you don't know one way or the other or you know this isn't true and you're still posting this.

    Fox News doesn't touch the national news broadcasts. Fox does crush the cable news networks.

    I just find them predictable.
    No, you've ably demonstrated that you're an elitist, arrogant, liberal snob who believes that anyone who disagrees with him is stupid, gullible or both.

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    Re: Some Republicans embrace 'Party of No'

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    Way to make everything personal.

    Feel free to point out how I'm being dishonest.
    It was exceptionally clear that I was referring to the contemporary disrespect and disregard for constitutional concepts like checks and balances.

    You deliberately misinterpreted what I said to suggest I was saying the entire history of our form of government was a disaster...

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    Re: Some Republicans embrace 'Party of No'

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative Sword View Post
    No, you've ably demonstrated that you're an elitist, arrogant, liberal snob who believes that anyone who disagrees with him is stupid, gullible or both.
    Ah, alas, you got me. I was sure trying to hide it, but you are just so super smart you figured me out right away.

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    Re: Some Republicans embrace 'Party of No'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Well Chappy, see how well it goes when you go with simply partisan bitching instead of talking about actual issues?
    you mean like when you join a thread about Obama and you attack the author instead of the facts?

    Yes Redress, we know all about you.

    We win on the issues, let's leave the mindless mud slinging for the other guys.
    LOL Have you even looked at a poll on heath care? Ever?

    Welcome to the selective memory of Redress. Please leave common sense at the door.
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    Re: Some Republicans embrace 'Party of No'

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative Sword View Post
    It was exceptionally clear that I was referring to the contemporary disrespect and disregard for constitutional concepts like checks and balances.

    You deliberately misinterpreted what I said to suggest I was saying the entire history of our form of government was a disaster...
    Forgive me, I thought you were referring to the 1803 decision of Marbury versus Madison which greatly expanded the power of the judicial branch by granting them judicial review and thereby allowing many of the court decisions you seemed to be citing. It is a typical conservative argument. I guess I overestimated you.

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    Re: Some Republicans embrace 'Party of No'

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Fox News is the most watched News Network in the country. Try again kiddo.
    Doesn't change the fact that most Americans don't watch Fox.

    Yup, our form of government is totally irrelevant to this discussion. Or maybe, just maybe, bringing up democracy is irrelevant since it has nothing to do with our form of government. We should probably ponder that for a moment.

    I don't dislike people. I just find them predictable.
    You are arguing (if you want to call it that) in circles. If you think the people are stupid and easy to manipulate, they should not be deciding who gets to be in the government, period.

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    Re: Some Republicans embrace 'Party of No'

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    Forgive me, I thought you were referring to the 1803 decision of Marbury versus Madison which greatly expanded the power of the judicial branch by granting them judicial review and thereby allowing many of the court decisions you seemed to be citing. It is a typical conservative argument. I guess I overestimated you.
    One, my comment cited Roe, Kelo, and Hamdan. Not sure how you get to Marbury.

    Two, if Marbury is responsible for Roe, why did it take a hundred years for the Court to fully exercise that new role? Answer - Marbury ain't the source of Roe.

    Three, while the Marbury Court could plausibly carbe out a review role for itself, the Roe Court went further by inventing rights out of thin air, errr, out of the shadows of the amendments.

    Again, not sure how citing contemporary issues reflecting the disrespect of certain constitutional concepts gets you to me concluding the entire histry of the government is a failure or even back to Marbury.

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    Re: Some Republicans embrace 'Party of No'

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Tex, before you start shooting your uninformed mouth off, you might want to actually check the statistics.
    LOL This should be good.

    The Republicans in minority have nearly doubled the highest total than the Democrats in minority.
    Where is your source?


    And of course that is only votes. You guys filibustered the hell out of judges.

    List of stalled, blocked or filibustered nominees

    * United States Court of Appeals for the First Circuit
    o Rhode Island seat vacated by Bruce M. Selya - William E. Smith (judgeship later filled by Obama nominee O. Rogeriee Thompson)

    * United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit
    o New York seat vacated by John M. Walker, Jr. - Debra Ann Livingston (Livingston was nominated by President Bush in June 2006 but not allowed to be confirmed by Senate Democrats until May 2007)
    o New York seat vacated by Chester J. Straub - Loretta A. Preska (judgeship later filled by Obama nominee Gerard E. Lynch)

    * United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit
    o New Jersey seat vacated by Samuel Alito - Shalom D. Stone (judgeship later filled by Obama nominee Joseph A. Greenaway, Jr.)
    o Pennsylvania seat vacated by Franklin Stuart Van Antwerpen - Gene E. K. Pratter, followed by Paul S. Diamond (judgeship still open)

    * United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit
    o Maryland seat vacated by Francis D. Murnaghan, Jr. - Claude Allen, followed by Rod J. Rosenstein (judgeship later filled by Obama nominee Andre M. Davis)
    o North Carolina seat vacated by James Dickson Phillips, Jr. - Terrence Boyle, followed by Robert J. Conrad (Boyle was nominated by President Bush in May 2001. After waiting six years, President Bush withdrew his nomination January 2007, making this 2001-2007 nomination the longest court of appeals nomination never processed by the Senate; Robert Conrad was nominated July 2007, but the Senate Democrats refused to process his nomination during the Democrat-controlled 110th Congress; judgeship still open)
    o South Carolina seat vacated by William Walter Wilkins - Steve A. Matthews (judgeship still open)
    o Virginia seat vacated by H. Emory Widener - William J. Haynes, II, followed by E. Duncan Getchell, followed by Glen E. Conrad (judgeship later filled by Obama nominee Barbara Milano Keenan)

    * United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit
    o Mississippi seat, converted from a Louisiana seat vacated by Henry Anthony Politz - Charles W. Pickering, followed by Michael B. Wallace, followed by Leslie H. Southwick (Pickering was filibustered by Senate Democrats and eventually withdrew his nomination; there was so much Democratic resistance to Wallace's nomination that it too was withdrawn; and Southwick was only confirmed due to the efforts of Democratic senator Dianne Feinstein)
    o Texas seat vacated by William Lockhart Garwood - Priscilla Owen (Owen was filibustered by Senate Democrats and only allowed to be confirmed under the terms of the Gang of 14 Deal)

    * United States Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit
    o Michigan seat vacated by James L. Ryan - Henry Saad, followed by Raymond Kethledge (Saad was filibustered by Senate Democrats; Kethledge was only confirmed after a deal in which failed Clinton nominee Helene White was allowed to replace Bush nominee Stephen J. Murphy III as a Sixth Circuit nominee)
    o Michigan seat vacated by Richard Suhrheinrich - David W. McKeague (McKeague was filibustered by Senate Democrats and only allowed to be confirmed under the terms of the Gang of 14 Deal)
    o Michigan seat vacated by Damon Keith - Richard Allen Griffin (Griffin was filibustered by Senate Democrats and only allowed to be confirmed under the terms of the Gang of 14 Deal)
    o Michigan seat vacated by Cornelia Groefsema Kennedy - Susan Bieke Neilson, followed by Stephen J. Murphy III, followed by failed Clinton nominee Helene White (Bieke was only confirmed three months prior to her death after a four year battle over her nomination; Murphy's nomination was replaced by that of failed Clinton nominee Helene White at the behest of Democratic Michigan senator Carl Levin)
    o Ohio seat vacated by David Aldrich Nelson - Jeffrey S. Sutton (Senate Democrats refused to process his nomination during the Democrat-controlled 107th Congress and he was only confirmed once Republicans assumed control of the house in 2003)
    o Ohio seat vacated by Alan Norris - Deborah L. Cook (Senate Democrats refused to process her nomination during the Democrat-controlled 107th Congress and she was only confirmed once Republicans assumed control of the house in 2003)

    * United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit
    o Indiana seat vacated by Kenneth F. Ripple - Philip P. Simon (judgeship later filled by Obama nominee David Hamilton)

    * United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit
    o California seat vacated by James R. Browning - Carolyn Kuhl (Kuhl was filibustered by Senate Democrats and eventually withdrew her nomination; judgeship later filled by Bush nominee Sandra Segal Ikuta)
    o California seat vacated by Stephen S. Trott - N. Randy Smith (judgeship still open; Smith was later confirmed to the Ninth Circuit when he was renominated for an Idaho seat)
    o Idaho seat vacated by Thomas G. Nelson - William Gerry Myers III (Myers was filibustered by Senate Democrats; judgeship later filled by Bush nominee N. Randy Smith)

    * United States Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit
    o Oklahoma seat vacated by Stephanie Kulp Seymour - James H. Payne, followed by Jerome A. Holmes (Payne withdrew his nomination after allegations made by liberal organizations created the appearance of "extraordinary circumstances" which would not have allowed his confirmation under the terms of the Gang of 14 Deal; judgeship later filled by Bush nominee Jerome A. Holmes)

    * United States Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit
    o Alabama seat vacated by Emmett Ripley Cox - William H. Steele, followed by William H. Pryor (Senate Democrats refused to process Steele's nomination during the Democrat-controlled 107th Congress and his nomination was withdrawn; Pryor was filibustered by Senate Democrats and was only allowed to be confirmed under the terms of the Gang of 14 Deal)

    * United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia
    o Miguel Estrada, to seat vacated by Patricia Wald (Estrada was nominated May 2001, but was filibustered by Senate Democrats and withdrew his nomination after waiting over two years in September 2003; judgeship later filled by Bush nominee Thomas B. Griffith, who was only allowed to be confirmed under the terms of the Gang of 14 Deal)
    o John Roberts, to seat vacated by James L. Buckley (Senate Democrats refused to process his nomination during the Democrat-controlled 107th Congress and he was only confirmed once Republicans assumed control of the Senate in 2003)
    o Janice Rogers Brown, to seat vacated by Stephen F. Williams (Brown was filibustered by Senate Democrats and was only allowed to be confirmed under the terms of the Gang of 14 Deal)
    o Brett Kavanaugh, to seat vacated by Laurence Silberman (Kavanaugh was initially stalled by Senate Democrats and was only allowed to be confirmed under the terms of the Gang of 14 Deal)
    o Peter Keisler, to seat vacated by John Roberts (President Bush nominated him June 2006, but Senate Democrats refused to process his nomination during the 109th and Democrat-controlled 110th Congress; judgeship still open)


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    And you have the audacity to call yourself "critical thought"

    The point is BOTH sides are the party of no when they are in the minority. Exactly how is that so hard for you to understand?
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