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    Re: Some Republicans embrace 'Party of No'

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    And this sentiment is also vastly insulting to the American people, that it is so easy to manipulate their opinions with lies. If you believe this, then you must truly despise democracy in any form.

    That's not even to mention that Republicans in Congress were in no position to have any effect on public opinion when most of the public disliked them in the first place. If you cannot accept that people came to hate the health care bill on their own accord, you can bring your hatred of democracy and the American public elsewhere.
    The American people are idiots. By no fault of their own. It's human psychology. Anyone is susceptible to propaganda.

    I don't despise democracy. I recognize what it is. Mob rule.

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    Re: Some Republicans embrace 'Party of No'

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    1. "The Republicans" are not a person. Unless every single Republcan admitted their complete support of whatever proposal you are talking about, your point is moot.

    2. Maybe in the time since they realized that the party of limited government is supposed to stand for, you know, limited government. Democrats seem to have a field day every time they don't, in any case.

    3. They were the minority party then, thus anything they put forwards was just posturing. Posturing is one thing, actually voting on bills is another.
    In the 90's or at least a good portion there of GOP had control of both houses . Remember the Gingrich contract upon America ?
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    Re: Some Republicans embrace 'Party of No'

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    In the 90's or at least a good portion there of GOP had control of both houses . Remember the Gingrich contract upon America ?
    So what?

    This neither substantiates your absurd claim that Republicans, generally, advocated an individual mandate nor does it make Obama's individual mandate constitutional.

    Again, claims of hypocrisy are not arguments.

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    Re: Some Republicans embrace 'Party of No'

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    The American people are idiots. By no fault of their own. It's human psychology. Anyone is susceptible to propaganda.

    I don't despise democracy. I recognize what it is. Mob rule.
    Nobody is susceptible to propaganda from people they don't trust in the first place (i.e. Congressional Republicans). Of course, your smug elitism is noted.

    So would you prefer replacing democracy with dictatorship? What's the alternative?


    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    In the 90's or at least a good portion there of GOP had control of both houses . Remember the Gingrich contract upon America ?
    You mentioned a health care bill that was crafted in the early 90s when Republicans were in the minority. The GOP control of Congress later is irrelevant to what you were talking about. If anything, the fact that a Republican Congress never pushed for the health care bill you say they supported in the early 90s just indicates that the party as a whole was never really supportive of the ideas in the current bill.

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    Re: Some Republicans embrace 'Party of No'

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    You mentioned a health care bill that was crafted in the early 90s when Republicans were in the minority. The GOP control of Congress later is irrelevant to what you were talking about. If anything, the fact that a Republican Congress never pushed for the health care bill you say they supported in the early 90s just indicates that the party as a whole was never really supportive of the ideas in the current bill.
    But I thought that guy only worked with facts...LMAO!

    Props, dude...

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    Re: Some Republicans embrace 'Party of No'

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Nobody is susceptible to propaganda from people they don't trust in the first place (i.e. Congressional Republicans). Of course, your smug elitism is noted.
    But everyone is susceptible to "The most trusted News source in America." Care to guess what that might be?

    Hm...I wonder who that source caters to.

    So would you prefer replacing democracy with dictatorship? What's the alternative?
    Actually, I'm pretty happy with this thing called a Constitutional Republic. You should look it up. It's an astonishing form of government. It has checks and balances meant to protect the rights of the individual from being trampled by the tyranny of the majority. I think you might even know of a country that has one.

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    Re: Some Republicans embrace 'Party of No'

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Actually, I'm pretty happy with this thing called a Constitutional Republic. You should look it up. It's an astonishing form of government. It has checks and balances meant to protect the rights of the individual from being trampled by the tyranny of the majority. I think you might even know of a country that has one.
    You owe me a new keyboard...

    From the looks of it here at this board, it appears that the concepts of checks and balances and co-equal branches of government have been tossed aside in favor of a superior judicial branch that renders judgment upon executive and legislative actions. Many here seen quite comfortable with this current arrangment where we defer all judgment of constitutionality to the Courts.

    What are these silly little contrivances called checks and balances you refer to?

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    Re: Some Republicans embrace 'Party of No'

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative Sword View Post
    You owe me a new keyboard...

    From the looks of it here at this board, it appears that the concepts of checks and balances and co-equal branches of government have been tossed aside in favor of a superior judicial branch that renders judgment upon executive and legislative actions. Many here seen quite comfortable with this current arrangment where we defer all judgment of constitutionality to the Courts.

    What are these silly little contrivances called checks and balances you refer to?

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    Well it's only been the form of government that we have had for over two hundred years. I guess it has been a total disaster.

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    Re: Some Republicans embrace 'Party of No'

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    But everyone is susceptible to "The most trusted News source in America." Care to guess what that might be?

    Hm...I wonder who that source caters to.
    Most Americans don't watch FOX, the ones who do know what they're getting, and every other media outlet leans in the opposite direction. Nice theory, doesn't fly. People form their own opinions.

    Actually, I'm pretty happy with this thing called a Constitutional Republic. You should look it up. It's an astonishing form of government. It has checks and balances meant to protect the rights of the individual from being trampled by the tyranny of the majority. I think you might even know of a country that has one.
    Well, that was irrelevant. So now NOT passing the health care bill would be "tyranny of the majority"? I've actually seen a lot of people argue the opposite, quite justifiably.

    Face it, when it comes to deciding on laws like this, whether at the state or federal level (I mention that because, at the federal level, this law might not even follow your mentioned Constitution, according to some) it's either the will of the people or the unchecked will of the elite. You obviously have no patience for the people (except yourself of course, being so naturally smart), so why you like democracy in ANY form, I don't know. I suspect that you don't, but you don't want to admit that to yourself.

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    Re: Some Republicans embrace 'Party of No'

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Most Americans don't watch FOX, the ones who do know what they're getting, and every other media outlet leans in the opposite direction. Nice theory, doesn't fly. People form their own opinions.
    Fox News is the most watched News Network in the country. Try again kiddo.

    Well, that was irrelevant.
    Yup, our form of government is totally irrelevant to this discussion. Or maybe, just maybe, bringing up democracy is irrelevant since it has nothing to do with our form of government. We should probably ponder that for a moment.

    I don't dislike people. I just find them predictable.

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