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    Re: Some Republicans embrace 'Party of No'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's not how the current system works. Is it? The current system is your basic steal from the rich and give to the poor kinda set up. Which is why, "general welfare", in no way means that I should have to bust my ass, then have most of my money taken away to give to some buncha deadbeats that are too stupid, or too lazy to make it on their own.
    It's funny, but when 95% of the income belongs to the top 10% of the country, that is kind of how it works out.

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    Re: Some Republicans embrace 'Party of No'

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I'm happy you conservatives think this way. I'll enjoy health care reform while you guys bitch about how Unconstitutional it is, but do nothing about it.
    Do nothing? What world do you live in? Thirteen states or more now joining to challenge the constitutionality of requiring citizens to purchase a private product/service.

    Do you really have no problem with the fed govt requiring you to buy something?

    Edit - so to keep the domestic autos in business, if Obama says we must buy a new vehicle from Ford or GM, you'd have no problem with that? Fits right in with the Founders vision?

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    Re: Some Republicans embrace 'Party of No'

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative Sword View Post
    Do nothing? What world do you live in? Thirteen states or more now joining to challenge the constitutionality of requiring citizens to purchase a private product/service.

    Do you really have no problem with the fed govt requiring you to buy something?
    The chances of your 13 states accomplishing anything in the courts are pretty much 0. It's a symbolic gesture. Your only chance is to pass a Constitutional Amendment.

    Also, I'm kind of required to buy car insurance, and it has never killed me before.

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    Re: Some Republicans embrace 'Party of No'

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative Sword View Post
    Do nothing? What world do you live in? Thirteen states or more now joining to challenge the constitutionality of requiring citizens to purchase a private product/service.

    Do you really have no problem with the fed govt requiring you to buy something?

    Edit - so to keep the domestic autos in business, if Obama says we must buy a new vehicle from Ford or GM, you'd have no problem with that? Fits right in with the Founders vision?
    While it's true that it's not the best thing to require people to buy health care insurance. Are you saying you'd rather not have it at all?

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    Re: Some Republicans embrace 'Party of No'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gander View Post
    Okay, Chappy, we get it. You think the GOP is appropriately labeled as the "party of no". Your position is duly noted. Care to add something else, or are you just going to parrot your leftist rhetoric some more?
    This thread is about “Some Republicans embrace 'Party of No'” !!

    I'm posting on the right thread, are you?

    It's really simple! You want to talk about something else? Go make your own ****ing thread.
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    Re: Some Republicans embrace 'Party of No'

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    How about defining what "general welfare" and "common defense" are suppose to mean so that they cannot be interpreted to mean anything else. It seems the court decided they mean something that you disagree with, so that means the next step in action is for you silly conservatives to pass a Constitutional amendment. Funny how you advocate for it, but don't seem to know how it works.
    We know what "general welfare" and "common defense" mean. They mean "general welfare" and "common defense". That's not what's at issue here. What's at issue is the legal construction of Congress's enumerated powers, i.e., do the general welfare/common defense clauses simply state a purpose to which the ensuing authorities shall be exercised, or does it confer upon the Congress an unlimited authority to act in what IT DEEMS to be the "general welfare" and the "common defense". The Founders were of the former opinion, statist apologists, like yourself, are of the latter opinion.

    Wow, you read all that into, "Thomas Paine was the first to suggest a welfare entitlement program."?
    You're trying to use Thomas Paine's support of a small welfare program (not an "entitlement" program) to justify your support of massive expansion of Federal government and authority. Being adamantly opposed to centralized authority, I doubt he would have agreed with you.

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    Re: Some Republicans embrace 'Party of No'

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    If the GOP wants to run on repeal of health care reform, then let them. They are already stepping away from doing so. All they are going to do is complain about how the health care reform endangers jobs and businesses in order to win seats and then they will do nothing. Heck, they'll probably expand upon it.
    They don't have to repeal it, just defund it.

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    Re: Some Republicans embrace 'Party of No'

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    This thread is about “Some Republicans embrace 'Party of No'” !!

    I'm posting on the right thread, are you?

    It's really simple! You want to talk about something else? Go make your own ****ing thread.
    The discussion has evolved, madam. No one is interested in hearing you repeat yourself again and again. Perhaps you'd like to add something we haven't heard you say several times already?

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    Re: Some Republicans embrace 'Party of No'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    While it's true that it's not the best thing to require people to buy health care insurance. Are you saying you'd rather not have it at all?
    That is a separate issue. We're discussing the legal construction and philosophy of the Constitution, not the relative practicality of mandating health insurance.

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    Re: Some Republicans embrace 'Party of No'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gander View Post
    They don't have to repeal it, just defund it.
    Oh yeah, because that worked great when Bush tried it. The starving the beast method has yet to succeed so I don't know why conservatives keeping trying it.

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