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    Re: Some Republicans embrace 'Party of No'

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Wow, I've been proven wrong?
    Intellectually, yes.

    And yet the health care law still exists, as does every other form of welfare that Congress has passed in the last 80 odd years. Interesting how that works.
    And? It "works" only because we have permitted our elected representatives to subordinate themselves to the will of an unelected and unaccountable court. People like me say this is a perversion of constitutional republic. Your perception of the general welfare clause completely flips the intent of the founding fathers on it's head. Your perverse view on the Constitution results in unlimited national authority, which is explicitly contradicted by the views of the founding fathers.

    It's interesting how the reality doesn't match up to your ideology and views on the founding fathers.
    Are you really going to argue that the founding fathers did not have the intent of limiting the power of the national government? Our views on the founding fathers is accurate. You and others like you are the ones perverting it to suit your political preferences.

    Also, why did ol' Thomas Jefferson do a 180 on his views of limiting the federal government when it was his turn to be president? And since when is Madison the "father of the Constitution"?
    Bzzzzz, irrelevant.

    Good luck on getting your Constitutional Amendment passed to limit the powers of the Federal Government
    Wow! My goodness! What do you have against liberty? Oooops, my bad...it interferes with your inability to impose your preferences on others.

    32 million more people covered and 9 million people who might have to change insurance
    I recall this started out as an exercise to correct the crisis of nearly 50 - 60 million uninsured people and with Obama promising if we liked our current plans we could stay on them.

    And we end up a little more than of that crisis, errr, I guess it wasn't much of a crisis, addressed and neatly 10 million people having to change their plans despite Obama's year long promise to the contrary.

    Yet, you have no problem with this...oh yeah, my bad, it imposes your preferences on the rest of us. So what's next? You coming in to inspect my cabinets and fridge to ensure that I'm not eating whatever you think it is I shouldn't eat? I mean, the fed govt has that power, right?

    because their employers would prefer to pay a penalty than look out for their well being. Hm...yup I think this is something Obama will have no problem taking responsibility for in the end.
    And his party will get hammered. Nearly 80% of Americans, according to a recent Fox News poll, prefer to see Obamacare repealed or substantially changed.

    Despite our elected representatives voting this, this does not translate into popular support.

    It was an exercise of raw political power. Why don't you have a problem with brining legislators, unions, and corporations?

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    Re: Some Republicans embrace 'Party of No'

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Are you seriously asking why the founders, who lived during a time where the top medical treatments were leeches, blood letting, and amputation, did not start medical entitlement programs? Your logic is funny. Why didn't the founders free the slaves? Why didn't the founders give woman the right to vote? I guess we should go back on those advances simply because it wasn't the founders intended or did themselves.
    The Founders didn't free the slaves because the Union was newly formed and fragile. It would've formed a rift through the middle of an infant democracy at a time when it could ill-afford it. Once again, read a history book.

    Nevertheless, many of the Founders were the first abolitionists. Benjamin Franklin practically fathered the movement which would free the slaves.

    But why are we even talking about that? You're conflating social rights with basic legal construction. Yea, some of the Founders were racist and misogynist, not sure how that relates to their legal views on the general welfare clause...

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    Re: Some Republicans embrace 'Party of No'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Why wasn't a welfare program for the poor started? I'm not talking just about government run healthcare.
    You don't have a very good grasp of American history do you? The government gave away virtually free land to anyone willing to settle it. Does that constitute an entitlement program? Government resources being distributed to the poor? Relief programs and poor houses were also very common.

    Thomas Paine was the first to suggest a welfare entitlement program.

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    Re: Some Republicans embrace 'Party of No'

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    I love it that this debate about the ‘Party of No’ was covered on NBC's Meet the Press however briefly. David Brooks identified himself as the party of ‘Maybe’ and Republican policy wonks like Rep. Paul Ryan as the ‘Party of Yes.’ He went on to say:

    “Palin. The Tea Parties. Listen, the Tea Party movement is a movement without a structure, without an organization. No movement like that lasts.” — David Brooks, Columnist, NBC's Meet the Press, 4/11/2010
    Okay, Chappy, we get it. You think the GOP is appropriately labeled as the "party of no". Your position is duly noted. Care to add something else, or are you just going to parrot your leftist rhetoric some more?

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    Re: Some Republicans embrace 'Party of No'

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    I love it that this debate about the ‘Party of No’ was covered on NBC's Meet the Press however briefly. David Brooks identified himself as the party of ‘Maybe’ and Republican policy wonks like Rep. Paul Ryan as the ‘Party of Yes.’ He went on to say:

    “Palin. The Tea Parties. Listen, the Tea Party movement is a movement without a structure, without an organization. No movement like that lasts.” — David Brooks, Columnist, NBC's Meet the Press, 4/11/2010
    When we have a government that is hell bent on taking away our freedoms, I thank God that there is a party of, "NO", in this country.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Some Republicans embrace 'Party of No'

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative Sword View Post
    You cannot be serious...

    I mean, I have seen blind fealty to the Supreme Court, but this takes the cake.

    Since when has the Court become the superior branch of government?
    I'll state it one last time for you silly Conservatives.

    You preach and advocate that using the amendment process should be the only way to expand the power of government.

    Then feel free to use it to pass a Constitutional Amendment restricting the power of the federal government.

    Why is it so hard to practice what you preach?

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    Re: Some Republicans embrace 'Party of No'

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I'll state it one last time for you silly Conservatives.

    You preach and advocate that using the amendment process should be the only way to expand the power of government.

    Then feel free to use it to pass a Constitutional Amendment restricting the power of the federal government.

    Why is it so hard to practice what you preach?
    This is laughable. You pervert the Constitution, then cite it as a justification for your position. Do you know what "cognitive dissonance" is?

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    Re: Some Republicans embrace 'Party of No'

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    You don't have a very good grasp of American history do you?
    Simply incredible. The irony is totally lost upon you...

    Thomas Paine was the first to suggest a welfare entitlement program.
    Show us the specific quote to which you are referring so that we may discuss it accordingly.

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    Re: Some Republicans embrace 'Party of No'

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    You don't have a very good grasp of American history do you? The government gave away virtually free land to anyone willing to settle it. Does that constitute an entitlement program? Government resources being distributed to the poor? Relief programs and poor houses were also very common.

    Thomas Paine was the first to suggest a welfare entitlement program.
    Show us where the government gave government land to the citizens. I'm gonna live this.

    I recall American settling land that was there for the taking from the indians, but don't recall any massive land give away by our early government.

    Post your sources, please! Can't wait!
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Some Republicans embrace 'Party of No'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gander View Post
    This is laughable. You pervert the Constitution, then cite it as a justification for your position. Do you know what "cognitive dissonance" is?
    I'm not the one preaching strict adherence to a document written over 2 hundred years ago. Do you know what "hypocrisy" is? If you truly believe in the value of the Constitution, then stop bitching and get a Constitutional Amendment passed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gander View Post
    Simply incredible. The irony is totally lost upon you...

    Show us the specific quote to which you are referring so that we may discuss it accordingly.
    Haven't you ever read "Agrarian Justice"?

    Thomas Paine's 'Agrarian Justice': The Rights of Individuals to Own Property Investigated

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