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    Re: ABC News Investigation: USA Swimming Coaches Molested, Secretly Taped Dozens of T

    Excerpted from “ABC News Investigation: USA Swimming Coaches Molested, Secretly Taped Dozens of Teen Swimmers; Olympic Governing Body Under Fire; 36 Swim Coaches Banned for Life Because of Sexual Misconduct with Teens” By MEGAN CHUCHMACH and AVNI PATEL, ABC News, Apr. 9, 2010
    The executive director of USA Swimming, Chuck Wielgus, acknowledged the problem, but said "It's "It's not nearly as serious in USA Swimming as it might be in the rest of society."

    "I don't want to be the one to sit here and say 36 is not too many, one is too many, but this is not just a problem that's isolated to one sport," said Wielgus.

    In some cases, the swimming coaches found to have been sexual predators were able to move from town to town, one step ahead of police and angry victims and their parents.

    "We have a system that does not encourage the reporting," said Bob Allard, a San Jose, CA lawyer representing sex abuse victims suing USA Swimming. …


    "We want to have the gold standard and I think we do an awesome job," said USA Swimming executive director Chuck Wielgus. "I don't think we're perfect.

    Wielgus says the local swim clubs, not the national organization, bear the responsibility to check the full backgrounds of swimming coaches they hire.

    He said the 36 coaches banned by the organization over the last ten years were only a tiny fraction of the organization's 12,000 coaches in that time period.

    "Thirty six does seem like a whole lot. A hundred is even more. Five hundred is even more," he told correspondent Brian Ross.

    Asked if he had apologized to any of the young teen victims, Wielgus responded, "You feel I need to apologize to them?"

    He added, "I think it's unfair for you to ask me whether individually or me as the representative of an organization to apologize for something when all we are trying to do is everything we possibly can to create a safe and healthy environment for kids who are participating in our particular activity."
    I suspect Chuck Wielgus' contract as the executive director of USA Swimming will not be renewed after this disastrous interview with Brian Ross. It is clear that USA Swimming has a problem and it starts with its executive director's failure to understand that their organization must work even harder to provide a safe and healthy environment for these child athletes.
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    I guess your comment throws me off a bit because you've introduced celibacy and RICO into a horrific story about pedophiles and victimization that has nothing to do with those things. Could you elaborate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    You mean you don't follow the rhetoric and hatred spewed by anti-Catholics on this board and in other places?
    Nothing to do with this story, however.
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    Nothing to do with this story, however.
    I love how some people come on here (not specifically referring to you) hide behind statements like this. Oh... it isn't relevant. But this is an issue that IS connected. This type of situation IS a problem throughout society. It isn't ONLY in the Church and it isn't ONLY in US swimming. It exists in other sports as well (I know it exists in soccer -- though I coached boys, I have personally heard rumors of girls' coaches accused of similar problems). So, when you look at the big picture, it DOES have something to do with this story. It isn't about celebacy, as some claim regarding Catholics, it isn't about the immorality of coaches -- though there are some immoral coaches and priests out there. It pervades society.

    In this case, you have very fit, athletic female teens who present a very tempting target for some coaches. This is a societal problem that is not limited to one subsection of said society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I love how some people come on here (not specifically referring to you) hide behind statements like this. Oh... it isn't relevant. But this is an issue that IS connected. This type of situation IS a problem throughout society. It isn't ONLY in the Church and it isn't ONLY in US swimming. It exists in other sports as well (I know it exists in soccer -- though I coached boys, I have personally heard rumors of girls' coaches accused of similar problems). So, when you look at the big picture, it DOES have something to do with this story. It isn't about celebacy, as some claim regarding Catholics, it isn't about the immorality of coaches -- though there are some immoral coaches and priests out there. It pervades society.

    In this case, you have very fit, athletic female teens who present a very tempting target for some coaches. This is a societal problem that is not limited to one subsection of said society.
    I'm not disagreeing with you there. I worked with a girl who was abused by a swimming coach. What I'm saying is that instead of discussing the issue in the general an on target terms that you just did, all your OP did was rail against those who attack the Catholic Church. It seemed catty and demeaned the real issue, here... that this particular issue is far more prevelent in society than people think. By the time they are 18, do you know what percentage of girls are sexually abused in some way? 25%. One in four. That is a HORRIFIC statistic.

    My comment was more directed at how it seemed that you were minimizing a terrible story because of your own personal annoyance at folks condemning the Catholic Church.
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    Obviously an adult already wields a certain power over a child, but for someone like a coach, minister, or doctor to abuse the additional power they have is despicable…

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    Re: ABC News Investigation: USA Swimming Coaches Molested, Secretly Taped Dozens of T

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I'm not disagreeing with you there. I worked with a girl who was abused by a swimming coach. What I'm saying is that instead of discussing the issue in the general an on target terms that you just did, all your OP did was rail against those who attack the Catholic Church. It seemed catty and demeaned the real issue, here... that this particular issue is far more prevelent in society than people think. By the time they are 18, do you know what percentage of girls are sexually abused in some way? 25%. One in four. That is a HORRIFIC statistic.

    My comment was more directed at how it seemed that you were minimizing a terrible story because of your own personal annoyance at folks condemning the Catholic Church.
    I was not trying to demean this problem, but it is societal, as your statistic points out. I am annoyed at people who seem to think that this is only a problem in the Church, and I think the annoyance is understandable. You know, as well as I, that there are people who irrationally attack the Church on this issue (there ARE some reasonable attacks, but not many of them by the anti-Catholic persons on DP). This story shows that it is a much bigger issue and that people's accusations that certain Church policies make the Church more likely to suffer from it. I hope you see where I am getting at now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I'm not disagreeing with you there. I worked with a girl who was abused by a swimming coach. What I'm saying is that instead of discussing the issue in the general an on target terms that you just did, all your OP did was rail against those who attack the Catholic Church. It seemed catty and demeaned the real issue, here... that this particular issue is far more prevelent in society than people think. By the time they are 18, do you know what percentage of girls are sexually abused in some way? 25%. One in four. That is a HORRIFIC statistic.

    My comment was more directed at how it seemed that you were minimizing a terrible story because of your own personal annoyance at folks condemning the Catholic Church.
    I was not trying to demean this problem, but it is societal, as your statistic points out. I am annoyed at people who seem to think that this is only a problem in the Church, and I think the annoyance is understandable. You know, as well as I, that there are people who irrationally attack the Church on this issue (there ARE some reasonable attacks, but not many of them by the anti-Catholic persons on DP). This story shows that it is a much bigger issue and that people's accusations that certain Church policies make the Church more likely to suffer from it. I hope you see where I am getting at now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I was not trying to demean this problem, but it is societal, as your statistic points out. I am annoyed at people who seem to think that this is only a problem in the Church, and I think the annoyance is understandable. You know, as well as I, that there are people who irrationally attack the Church on this issue (there ARE some reasonable attacks, but not many of them by the anti-Catholic persons on DP). This story shows that it is a much bigger issue and that people's accusations that certain Church policies make the Church more likely to suffer from it. I hope you see where I am getting at now.
    I see what you are getting at. I'm big on how things are presented, because this often makes a difference in how things are received. Your presentation of the issue NOW is right on target. I understand your frustration with the anti-Catholic crowd, but I'm not sure if this was the way to go about going after them, especially the OP.

    Just my opinion. Regardless, this issue is very serious, regardless of where it comes from. One cannot blame it on just one segment. The issue is not priests, or teachers, or coaches. It spans these issues, and isn't about a group, but about individuals inside the group.
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    Re: ABC News Investigation: USA Swimming Coaches Molested, Secretly Taped Dozens of T

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I was not trying to demean this problem, but it is societal, as your statistic points out. I am annoyed at people who seem to think that this is only a problem in the Church, and I think the annoyance is understandable. You know, as well as I, that there are people who irrationally attack the Church on this issue (there ARE some reasonable attacks, but not many of them by the anti-Catholic persons on DP). This story shows that it is a much bigger issue and that people's accusations that certain Church policies make the Church more likely to suffer from it. I hope you see where I am getting at now.
    You have to admit the ‘irony’ of a pedophile priest though. It’s just SO scandalous.

    Fair or not, the church is going to take heat because news is based on ratings, and sex scandals in the church are good business. People are going to have a skewed opinion because of it.

    I have no problem with you wanting to educate people to the point you’re making – as long as you don’t get all preachy or anything…

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