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Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens retiring

No you did not. I was actually able to quote out of one of your sources a strong reason why they blocked one of the appointments that had nothing to do with race. You have proven nothing. You have not even really backed up your claim. You have called names alot.

wrong again

who has more credibility? The top attorney for four different dem administrations and the ABA or a bunch of political hacks who pander to the left?
 
Honestly, I think both the Republicans and Democrats need to appoint justices based on their duty to uphold the Law and the Constitution, not to force an ideologue to judge based off of his opinions and not judicial and lawful facts. We need open minded, objective judges without bias or affiliation who will see that justice will be served and not ideology supported. Both Republicans and Democrats have failed at this.


Digsbe, it's a nice thought, but in the real world Supreme Court candidates and Justices are human beings. They don't exist in a vaccuum, and they are not some pure priesthood never tainted by personal bias, politics or so forth. They're people like anyone else, however much some may put them on a pedestal.

A Justice who is pro-Y is likely to look for a legal justification to vote in support of Y. A Justice who is anti-Y is likely to look for a legal justification to vote anti-Y. Only a justice who doesn't really care much about Y is likely to vote purely based on what he thinks the law actually means without bias. They're people, not Justice Machines. :mrgreen:
 
Oh so it is a hyper partisan smear tactic intent on clouding the discussion with idiotic sound bytes rather than open an honest discussion.

As long as we're clear about that.

Is it NOT true that a high ranking Republican leader has said "Expect no cooperation from Republicans for the rest of the year" and the party already had been displaying almost zero cooperation before and after the statement? People calling the Republicans "The party of No" is simply those people rightly bringing such irresponsibility home to roost.

I really don't know what people think ought to happen... the Democrats just roll over and let the Republicans get away with every irresponsible tactic they impose? It is not "partisan" when the Republicans admit they are doing exactly what the accuser says they are doing and are actually doing it.

The Republicans wanted something else than the health reform that was passed. We get that. But, they ARE the minority party right now, and they act like they think they ought to be the majority party, despite the elections. If they had wanted to be influential, however, they should have participated and compromised, as the minority party usually does. Now, they are being rightly called "The party of No".
 
Is it NOT true that a high ranking Republican leader has said "Expect no cooperation from Republicans for the rest of the year" and the party already had been displaying almost zero cooperation before and after the statement?

First, you're lying. The GOP presented alternatives to Obamacare. Obama and the Democrats were lying when they argued otherwise. You need only watch the tv stunt Obama pulled and listen to Paul Ryan to understand what the GOP had been proposing. The most hilarious part of that Dem charade was while they were alleging that the GOP was not bringing anything to the table, the White House website had the GOPs proposals listed there.

Second, what's wrong with McCain's statement that the Dems should expect no further cooperation?

Am I to presume that you believe that Obama's use of a budget reconciliation tool was the approprioate way to pass such a massive legislative effort? That bribing insurers, unions, and other legislators was appropriate use of political power? I get that they control both chambers and the White House, but what we saw was an exercise in raw political power and not in a positive way.

McCain's has staked out a reasonable position.

People calling the Republicans "The party of No" is simply those people rightly bringing such irresponsibility home to roost.

No, they are liars. Plain and simple.

I really don't know what people think ought to happen... the Democrats just roll over and let the Republicans get away with every irresponsible tactic they impose

Wow!

What irresponsible tactics? Using budget reconciliation rules to impose a massive legislative change? Filibustering judicial nominees? Justifying the use of pass and deem to pass major legislation without voting?

Oooops, the Democrats have used those.

What were you saying, again about irresponsible tactics?

Oh, maybe you were talking about bribing legislators? Bribing unions? Bribing insurers like Tufts Health and Kaiser Permanente?

My bad, those are on the Democrats, too. :shock:

It is not "partisan" when the Republicans admit they are doing exactly what the accuser says they are doing and are actually doing it.

You're lying. The GOP is not the party of No.

The Republicans wanted something else than the health reform that was passed. We get that. But, they ARE the minority party right now, and they act like they think they ought to be the majority party, despite the elections. If they had wanted to be influential, however, they should have participated and compromised, as the minority party usually does. Now, they are being rightly called "The party of No".

First, the GOP was not responsible for holding up Obamacare. Democrats were. Why do you think Nelson, Landrieu, North Dakota, and Tennessee were getting bribes? Those were Democrats opposed to Obamacare. The GOP could not, alone, hold up Obamacare. So, you cannot reasonably argue that the GOP acted as the party of No and was responsible for holding up this legislation.

Second, how do you compromise when both parties were going in 180 degree directions? The Democrats insisted on major change. Republicans demanded incremental change. Democrats wanted to use government subsidies to expand coverage, while Republicans wanted to remove government involvement.

Where is the room for compromise?

In this case, status quo was the best option. What we have instead is a major transformation in the relationship between the State and the people, i.e., we created far greater dependency and piled yet another major spending entitlement on top of two currently bankrupt spending entitlements.

You people with the party of no nonsense are simply lying.
 
If only we all could keep our wits sharp and remain working till age 90!

As for the next candidate, I'm not sure there's going to be much difference in judicial philosophy. I'll be largely disinterested unless Obama is able to find a real standout among standouts and even then, we probably won't know that to be the case until they've served on the court for some time.

I suppose it will be interesting to see what demographic they target.

Actually, no matter who Obama nominates, they will likely be more conservative than Stevens. So the Court will not significantly change, no, but if it does it will actually move just slightly to the right.
 
Actually, no matter who Obama nominates, they will likely be more conservative than Stevens. So the Court will not significantly change, no, but if it does it will actually move just slightly to the right.

In the past sixteen years Justice Stevens played a crucial role on the court in putting together five vote majorities for moderate-to-liberal decisions. In this capacity his experience on the inner workings of the court and his extraordinary knowledge of the law will be greatly missed. The next, new justice can't replace that, no matter what.

See useful video: Amy Howe, SCOTUSblog, Editor on C-SPAN's Washington Journal today.

See also: SCOTUSblog
 
I am not sure how I feel about Stevens retiring...One thing I feel is you can't find a bigger liberal them him to replace him so that is good.......There is also a lot of pressure on Obama to pick a moderate...Don't forget mid terms elections are coming up and dems are in big trouble as it is.......
 
I am not sure how I feel about Stevens retiring...One thing I feel is you can't find a bigger liberal them him to replace him so that is good.......There is also a lot of pressure on Obama to pick a moderate...Don't forget mid terms elections are coming up and dems are in big trouble as it is.......

He could pick a KKK leader and conservatives would still call him the socialist pick.
 
Not me, no, it's a pattern of behavior we've seen from the GOP.

Like Schumer and Kennedy claiming "Estrada" was a right wing extremist even though he worked for the Clinton Solicitor General, clerked for swing vote Anthony Kennedy and was endorsed by all four living Dem Solicitor Generals.

I guess people like Kennedy believe that a guy who came to the USA at 17 and hardly spoke English yet graduated Phi Beta Kappa at Columbia and Magna Cum laude at Harvard Law had to be a conservative
 
No bending out of shape here. :)

I just have no confidence in the core element of the Republican Senate caucus being responsible and focusing on the nominee's qualifications.

But, we'll see, and I for one would enjoy being pleasantly surprised by some honest statesmanship showing up in the upper chamber.

Your stupid-ass party did the same thing when Bush's judicial nominees were being appointed. Do you live in an alternate universe or something!?
 
Why aren't these people retired out before they reach the age of a hundred anyway? That's what I want...a group of people deciding my fate based on how things were done in the 1820s.
 
those two are among the most qualified men to ever make it to the supreme court

Roberts was at the very top of his class at Harvard and Harvard law and was well regarded as one of the 3-4 best supreme court litigators in the United States. ALito was #1 at Princeton and at the very top of his class at Yale Law, a top rated Assistant US attorney, a highly regarded US Attorney, and then again a very highly regarded Circuit Court Judge with years of experience.

The left would love seeing radical lesbian and brilliant professor Pamela Karlan (Who I knew fairly well at Yale) but she probably is too radical given the way things are going in the senate. Kagan is considered more moderate but she also is Jewish and there is some thought that Obama best pick a protestant.

Me, I'd love to see my old friend Akhil Reed Amar on the court. Not only is he Indian-American (thus a first) he is truly brilliant and one of the most intellectually honest men I have had the pleasure to be associated with

I'm not saying that Roberts and Alito were not qualified. My point is that they are very conservative and Bush was able to get them on the Supreme Court because he was president at the time and he's entitled to pick whom he chooses. I say the same goes for Obama. He should be able to pick someone exactly like Stevens--a liberal.
 
They should nominate Karl Marx just to make the right wing go ballistic.
 
They should nominate Karl Marx just to make the right wing go ballistic.

He isn't liberal and female enough for the Obamunists
 
I'm not saying that Roberts and Alito were not qualified. My point is that they are very conservative and Bush was able to get them on the Supreme Court because he was president at the time and he's entitled to pick whom he chooses. I say the same goes for Obama. He should be able to pick someone exactly like Stevens--a liberal.

true=so tell me why did the libs when they were the minority and Bush was the president block Miguel Estrada with a fillibuster-the first time the minority party fillibustered an APPELLATE judge

and Roberts and ALito were far more mainstream that Ruth Bader ginsburg BTW
 
They should nominate Karl Marx just to make the right wing go ballistic.

That's because most people (left and right) don't know what Marx stood for. Not that I'm defending him. He's just one more intellectual in history, who's iresponsible fantasies of how to organize people, later wound up killing people in practical application.
 
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Ok, we'll play that game then, what is your name, place of work so we can VERIFY that you are indeed a CREDIBLE source?

Yeah yeah yeah and I'm George W. Bush :roll: If you are not going to provide your name and where you work, then you are NOT a CREDIBLE source nor does it change the FACT that your "belief" does not make it fact or back up your claims.

Please take your internet bragging to someone that might actually believe you.

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This is NOT acceptable. You may not demand personal information on members, especially in the open forums.
 
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That's because most people (left and right) don't know what Marx stood for. Not that I'm defending him. He's just one more intellectual in history, who's iresponsible fantasies of how to organize people, later wound up killing people in practical application.

Also being dead for more than a century makes for an interesting debate.
 
Not me, no, it's a pattern of behavior we've seen from the GOP.

Okay, present a nsufficient number of examples that would illustrate this pattern...specifics, please.

I know you lefties have a hard-on for this party of no business, despite being drilled on it everytime you post about it...but still...get an argument already.
 
Also being dead for more than a century makes for an interesting debate.

Possibly. Let's give it a go...

People don't realize what great transition has come upon us. The age of theory has passed and many people don't even realize it existed. From a simple painting to the slaughter fields of Cambodia we see the intellectual's prescriptions upon mankind.

Let's just look at the arts. For centuries and centuries it was the itellectual who designed for the public what art was. There were prescriptions attached to sculpture, painting, and music. There was a period in history where religious undertones was the only true art. Anything else was not inspired. It would be easy to just dismiss this as merely the choice of the artist, but it was the royalty and the church that commissioned these artists and shaped the opinion of the masses and other struggling artists. The same was true with music. Then came the nineteenth century, where artists rebelled against the intellectual. Modern men and women were the first to begin with a culture that valued individual expression and opportunity above conformity and authority. And by the twentieth century the artists were passing off the most rediculous displays as art. One can pass through a museum of art and be amazed at each exhibit until he gets to the modern art. It begs the question..."what the hell happened here?"

But this is the intellectual's result to lesser degrees. There are extremes...

The twentieth century was nearly done to death by intellectuals and their theories. Hundreds of millions of human beings did die as individuals sought to enforce their notions of how mankind ought to be organized. Hitler, Stalin, and Mao leap out, but there were lesser demons. Intellectuals were always the great apologists for and supporters of tyrants. It was the intellectual that supported Khomeini. Communist intellectuals went on to support Pol Pot. Even in America it was the intellectual that designed the housing projects in which to best organize the poor. The theories are never criticized as being incorrect by the intellectuals. It always comes down to them blaming human beings for their inability to assimilate. In the theory-crippled world of the intellectual, there is no room for human failure. Schemes for human perfection always end in suffering or slaughter. Karl Marx theorized of utopia and insisted on its practicalism. Men in the future put it to the test.

At the end of the Second World War, the men who designed a new Europe and a reborn Japan were blessed. They did not have the "help" of university faculties and think tanks, whose number is in the tens of thousands and merely confuse, obstruct, bewilder, bull****, and clutter the media of the day with nonesense. What if the men who rebuilt Europe and Japan were bombarded with hordes of "experts" who compensate for their lack of experience with self-righteousness and snobbery?


In the twentieth-first century we saw a different kind of "intellectual." Rumsfeld's theories of how to win wars flew against the convention and the time tested facts throughout history. Mankind's oldest profession was reduced to one man's inexperienced pathetic ideas. His vision was realized for it's failure in Iraq where he earnestly believed technology alone would win our future wars and that fractured populations divided by tribe would self order at the door step of democracy. His theory would have the Crusades won with mere catapults. On the flip side was the self appointed intellectual who had never served in the military or been to the region where the conflict raged and knew absolutely nothing of relevance, yet felt perfectly qualified to declare every step our military took as a failure. We even had intellectuals in politician clothing in Washignton declare positive steps to the wonderful works of Iran. But acros the ocean we saw intellectuals in Europe prove to be inable to let go of the past and insist on behaving as if the theories of the Cold War never ended. As Americans, we are burdened to lead, which means we hgave to stop holding on the the past. Theories on how to organize people unnaturally need to die with the period that celebrated it most.

Ralph Peters makes a good comment about this. He states that "We need not kill the theorists, but we damned well better kill their theories."
 
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