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    Re: Bush 'knew Guantanamo prisoners were innocent'

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    Re: Bush 'knew Guantanamo prisoners were innocent'

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Like I said...
    BTW I don't think this is true because as we see from this thread not even Bush/Cheney et al. believed that they were all guilty. In this case the Kool Aid drinkers are even worse than their masters.

    But this is because Bush/Cheney didn't have to morally support the decision while puppets like Erod do, so they have to believe they're all guilty or everything they stand for falls to pieces.
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    Re: Bush 'knew Guantanamo prisoners were innocent'

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    BTW I don't think this is true because as we see from this thread not even Bush/Cheney et al. believed that they were all guilty. In this case the Kool Aid drinkers are even worse than their masters.
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    Re: Bush 'knew Guantanamo prisoners were innocent'

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    Re: Bush 'knew Guantanamo prisoners were innocent'

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    BTW I don't think this is true because as we see from this thread not even Bush/Cheney et al. believed that they were all guilty. In this case the Kool Aid drinkers are even worse than their masters.

    But this is because Bush/Cheney didn't have to morally support the decision while puppets like Erod do, so they have to believe they're all guilty or everything they stand for falls to pieces.
    But, ultimate responsibility goes all the way to the top does it not? You are responsible for the actions of those under you. It is your job to sniff out the bad stuff if there is something wrong if you got the power. And if you dont take the time to do that then you are just as guilty through apathy. I wonder if they where in the clouds and didn't know or if they kept distance on purpose for plausible deniability.
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    Re: Bush 'knew Guantanamo prisoners were innocent'

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris
    But, ultimate responsibility goes all the way to the top does it not? You are responsible for the actions of those under you. It is your job to sniff out the bad stuff if there is something wrong if you got the power. And if you dont take the time to do that then you are just as guilty through apathy. I wonder if they where in the clouds and didn't know or if they kept distance on purpose for plausible deniability.
    What? Of course they knew. Everybody knew. It's just common sense based on how the Guantanamo system is set up.
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    Re: Bush 'knew Guantanamo prisoners were innocent'

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    What? Of course they knew. Everybody knew. It's just common sense based on how the Guantanamo system is set up.
    Then they are responsible for each innocent life taken and all innocent time lost through imprisonment.
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    Re: Bush 'knew Guantanamo prisoners were innocent'

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Still waiting for the proof that these guys were innocent. Not expecting it, so carry on..
    Don't you get it? This is precisely the issue. This is what makes the situation in Guantanamo so morally reprehensible. These prisoners are not afforded the opportunity to prove themselves innocent. Forget about the presumption of guilt. They were being held without respect to guilt or innocence. There was no trial, no due process, no opportunity to argue the question of innocence. Some were held prisoner for years in this way.

    Whether they're guilty or not is irrelevant when talking about our nation's ethical responsibility. By offering no trial, we fall short of our highest ideals. The allegation here is cowardice. It's a cowardly act to abandon the principles of law out of fear.

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    Re: Bush 'knew Guantanamo prisoners were innocent'

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    It's a f***ing war! You can't fight it like the Mulberry police department.

    It's a good thing we didn't fight WWII like liberals would suggest. We'd all have Adolph's picture on our walls.
    Semantics. Just because both WWII and the War on Terror are called "wars" doesn't change the reality of these conflicts -- or the differences between them.

    Or are you suggesting that we invade Europe?

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    Re: Bush 'knew Guantanamo prisoners were innocent'

    Not only were some of them almost certainly innocent, but it appears that at least 3 died because of the torture tactics used on them:

    The Guantánamo ?Suicides?: A Camp Delta sergeant blows the whistle?By Scott Horton (Harper's Magazine)

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