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    Re: Bush 'knew Guantanamo prisoners were innocent'

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative Sword View Post
    Maybe someone has asked the question being begged here:

    Did Bush "know"? Larry Wilkerson, in pursuing a legal claim made by a detainee, claims as such.

    Is everyone accepting that as sufficient evidence that Bush "knew"? I hope not.

    Seems that the lefties will latch on to anything to smear Bush and Cheney. It's humorous that I and conservatives have far more substantive and meaningful criticisms of Bush that these clowns on the left...
    Ah, the joy of blanket insults. Even though I(some one very much on the left) made it a point to say that there were many allegations, but no proof....
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    Re: Bush 'knew Guantanamo prisoners were innocent'

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Pull your head out........ he just corrected himself, and he is absolutely correct.

    Enemy combatants have no rights on the field of battle, or off.
    And again... WRONG.

    The United States Supreme Court ruled 5-4 Thursday that prisoners held as “enemy combatants” at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba can immediately file habeas corpus petitions in US district courts challenging the legality of their confinement. Most have been held at the US naval base under brutal conditions, enduring solitary confinement and torture, for more than six years. None has ever had the merits of his case reviewed by a court of law.

    The ruling does not question the executive branch’s ability to declare someone an “enemy combatant,” an unprecedented power the Supreme Court upheld four years ago in Hamdi v. Rumsfeld. (See “The meaning of the US Supreme Court rulings on ‘enemy combatants’”) Nor does Kennedy order the release of any prisoner.

    Nevertheless, Kennedy’s opinion is a rebuke to a cornerstone of the Bush administration’s so-called “global war on terror.” By holding unconstitutional the provision of the 2006 Military Commissions Act (MCA) stripping Guantánamo Bay prisoners of their habeas corpus rights, the Supreme Court has stopped the Bush administration from continuing to use the naval base as a legal limbo, where it can imprison people indefinitely without regard for either domestic or international law.
    US Supreme Court upholds habeas corpus for Guantnamo Bay prisoners

    This is kind of a big deal concerning this issue.

    Never heard of it
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    Re: Bush 'knew Guantanamo prisoners were innocent'

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Link..................
    Apparently, if Larry Wilkerson alleges so in a legal petition filed in defense of a detained enemy combatant then, yes, it's been proven that many are not enemy combatants.

    This is what passes for intellectual arguments on the left these days...

    That and I am a racist for opposing Obamacare...

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    Re: Bush 'knew Guantanamo prisoners were innocent'

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    And again... WRONG.
    True, but not for the reasons you cite.

    The other poster was wrong because he failed to distinguish between privileged combatants and combatants not eligible for Geneva protections and for failing to distinguish between combatants who are or are not American citizens.


    Hilarious take by that source...brutal conditions? Unprecedented authority to declare individuals as enemy combatants? Who the hell did they expect to make such designations under Geneva except for, well, the Executive here in the US?

    That decision itself was a dramatic reversal as enemy combatants had never before in the history of the US had access to civilian courts.

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    Re: Bush 'knew Guantanamo prisoners were innocent'

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative Sword View Post
    True, but not for the reasons you cite.

    The other poster was wrong because he failed to distinguish between privileged combatants and combatants not eligible for Geneva protections and for failing to distinguish between combatants who are or are not American citizens.
    Wrong. If they're prisoners at GITMO, they have habeaus corpus rights. Citizenship doesn't matter. What type of combatant someone thinks or declares them doesn't matter.

    Hilarious take by that source...brutal conditions? Unprecedented authority to declare individuals as enemy combatants? Who the hell did they expect to make such designations under Geneva except for, well, the Executive here in the US?
    Three prisoners have died at GITMO under Bush's watch. There's something brutal somewhere. Whether you like it or not.

    News Flash::: The Executive Branch, aka the president, does not make our laws or these designations. They can try but, will hopefully be brought in line by SCOTUS.

    That decision itself was a dramatic reversal as enemy combatants had never before in the history of the US had access to civilian courts.
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    Re: Bush 'knew Guantanamo prisoners were innocent'

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    It's a f***ing war! You can't fight it like the Mulberry police department.

    It's a good thing we didn't fight WWII like liberals would suggest. We'd all have Adolph's picture on our walls.
    Didn't liberals preside over WWII?

    Anyway, believing such measures are a necessary sacrifice is one thing, but you are taking it too far.
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    Re: Bush 'knew Guantanamo prisoners were innocent'

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Wrong. If they're prisoners at GITMO, they have habeaus corpus rights. Citizenship doesn't matter. What type of combatant someone thinks or declares them doesn't matter.
    I was referring to the other poster's comments and obviously speaking about the time before the SCOTUS decision you cited.

    They only have habeas rights now because the SCOTUS invented such a right. It's appalling, too, that we've accorded such a right to an individual despite holding no citizenship and not being detained on US soil. As well, it's absurd to believe that enemy combatants being held in foreign countries would be granted access to civilian courts, something that had never happened in the US prior to this decision. This decision is another judicial invention and Congress should have stepped in and legislated on the issue rather than permitting the court to further usurp legislative authority.


    Three prisoners have died at GITMO under Bush's watch. There's something brutal somewhere. Whether you like it or not.
    Oh no...LMAO!! Three deaths is brutal? Feeding them islam-approved meals is brutal? Daily exercise, prayer groups, access to lawyers was brutal treatment?? Absurd. Keep trying.

    News Flash::: The Executive Branch, aka the president, does not make our laws or these designations. They can try but, will hopefully be brought in line by SCOTUS.
    But you have no problem with the Court legislating.

    Ironic.

    Or is it simply intellectual dishonesty?



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    Re: Bush 'knew Guantanamo prisoners were innocent'

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Didn't liberals preside over WWII?
    I believe they did Morality Games. But Erod will pretend they didn't. He'll also pretend that liberals are "limp wristed" since they apperently dont wreak havoc upon the Earth. Oh well.

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    Re: Bush 'knew Guantanamo prisoners were innocent'

    They only have habeas rights now because the SCOTUS invented such a right. It's appalling, too, that we've accorded such a right to an individual despite holding no citizenship and not being detained on US soil. As well, it's absurd to believe that enemy combatants being held in foreign countries would be granted access to civilian courts, something that had never happened in the US prior to this decision. This decision is another judicial invention and Congress should have stepped in and legislated on the issue rather than permitting the court to further usurp legislative authority.
    Even if the legislature had legislated, SCOTUS could have ruled their law unconstitutional.
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    Re: Bush 'knew Guantanamo prisoners were innocent'

    So the chance of having an actual interesting discussion about a rather complex topic are pretty much nill then...
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