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    Re: U.S.-Russia arms treaty to face GOP scrutiny in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    We can't trust the Russian government. It would have been wise to create that nuclear defense shield. You can't irradiate nukes, but you can develop more efficient defenses against them. Obama's decision is foolish and his goals are unrealistic.
    Aside from the last guy in the Oval office, nuclear reduction has been an active goal of every US president since 1969. So are you saying the GW is the only guy we have elected president whose objectives were not foolish and were realistic? Interesting!

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    Re: U.S.-Russia arms treaty to face GOP scrutiny in Senate

    The GOP would vote or/and be against anything Obama does any ways, so it will not be a shocker or is a shocker that the GOP is against this.

    Even with this deal, the US and Russia have enough nukes to kill off the world, costing billions to maintain for both countries at a time when those billions could be used elsewhere.
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    Re: U.S.-Russia arms treaty to face GOP scrutiny in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    The GOP would vote or/and be against anything Obama does any ways, so it will not be a shocker or is a shocker that the GOP is against this.

    Even with this deal, the US and Russia have enough nukes to kill off the world, costing billions to maintain for both countries at a time when those billions could be used elsewhere.
    Although healthy skepticism and a careful examination is generally a good perspective from which to proceed, I worry that the heightened scrutiny may well be an expression of opposition to the President for the sake of opposition. If so, and time will tell, that will be an unproductive shift in which partisan divisions begin to play out on national security matters that are of vital interest to the United States.

    FWIW, a number of notable former Republican Secretaries of State, including Henry Kissinger and George Schultz, support the agreement. Also, if one looks objectively at the agreement, it is difficult for one to find any evidence that the agreement qualitatively undermines the national security of either the U.S. or Russia. IMO, the agreement is in the national interest of both countries and it should be ratified by the Senate and Duma. Such important matters that concern the vital interests of the U.S. should not be hijacked by petty partisan rivalries/bids to 'settle scores.'

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    Re: U.S.-Russia arms treaty to face GOP scrutiny in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative Sword View Post
    Why not sign a treaty that gives the Russians what they couldn't otherwise get...strategic parity with the US?

    And do it at the same the US is making the world less safe by further limiting it's use of nukes as a deterrent in pursuit of a nuke-free world.

    In case you hadn't heard, the Cold War is over, and terms like "nuclear parity" have no meaning. What does have meaning is that Alqaeda and other terror groups would pay a fortune for any one of the 3000 nuclear warheads currently being stored all over Russia, and those who guard them need the money. If we can cut the number of available warheads in half, I think "parity" is a small price to pay.
    By the way, do you have any idea of the damage that the "parity" total of 1500 warheads on either side would do to the world? Do you actually place your partisan rhetoric ahead of intelligent arms control?

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    Re: U.S.-Russia arms treaty to face GOP scrutiny in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Although healthy skepticism and a careful examination is generally a good perspective from which to proceed, I worry that the heightened scrutiny may well be an expression of opposition to the President for the sake of opposition. If so, and time will tell, that will be an unproductive shift in which partisan divisions begin to play out on national security matters that are of vital interest to the United States.

    FWIW, a number of notable former Republican Secretaries of State, including Henry Kissinger and George Schultz, support the agreement. Also, if one looks objectively at the agreement, it is difficult for one to find any evidence that the agreement qualitatively undermines the national security of either the U.S. or Russia. IMO, the agreement is in the national interest of both countries and it should be ratified by the Senate and Duma. Such important matters that concern the vital interests of the U.S. should not be hijacked by petty partisan rivalries/bids to 'settle scores.'
    And? I have no doubt that the sane people in the Senate will vote yes for this, but I also have no doubt that a large part of the Republican party will vote no just out of spite and wanting to deny Obama a victory.
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    Re: U.S.-Russia arms treaty to face GOP scrutiny in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    The GOP would vote or/and be against anything Obama does any ways, so it will not be a shocker or is a shocker that the GOP is against this.

    Even with this deal, the US and Russia have enough nukes to kill off the world, costing billions to maintain for both countries at a time when those billions could be used elsewhere.
    Their golden boy Reagan did exactly the same thing, but they'll still scream about WEAKENING AMERICA
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: U.S.-Russia arms treaty to face GOP scrutiny in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Their golden boy Reagan did exactly the same thing, but they'll still scream about WEAKENING AMERICA
    It should be entertaining to watch how they show a difference between what Ronnie did and what Barack has done.
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    Re: U.S.-Russia arms treaty to face GOP scrutiny in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    It should be entertaining to watch how they show a difference between what Ronnie did and what Barack has done.
    Seeing as how Ronnie talked openly about ridding the world of ALL nuclear weapons, they'll have to be pretty clever about it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: U.S.-Russia arms treaty to face GOP scrutiny in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Seeing as how Ronnie talked openly about ridding the world of ALL nuclear weapons, they'll have to be pretty clever about it!
    Should we even mention that Ronnie was seeking to reduce nukes during the Cold War?
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    Re: U.S.-Russia arms treaty to face GOP scrutiny in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    In case you hadn't heard, the Cold War is over, and terms like "nuclear parity" have no meaning. What does have meaning is that Alqaeda and other terror groups would pay a fortune for any one of the 3000 nuclear warheads currently being stored all over Russia, and those who guard them need the money. If we can cut the number of available warheads in half, I think "parity" is a small price to pay.
    By the way, do you have any idea of the damage that the "parity" total of 1500 warheads on either side would do to the world? Do you actually place your partisan rhetoric ahead of intelligent arms control?
    You think Putin has let bygones be bygones?

    Hell no he hasn't.

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