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    Feds Drop Lying Charges Against 2 SEALs, But More Charges Remain

    I predicted earlier, though still too boldly, "the charges against the Navy SEALs would be dropped."

    I argued confidently, and correctly.

    Feds Drop Lying Charges Against 2 SEALs, But More Charges Remain

    The government has dropped false statement charges against two Navy SEALs accused of mistreating an Iraqi detainee, but more charges remain for the team that captured and reportedly punched an alleged terrorist leader.
    I'd just like to say, proudly, I told you so.

    To Redress:

    To All:

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    Re: Feds Drop Lying Charges Against 2 SEALs, But More Charges Remain

    Quote Originally Posted by Politics101 View Post
    I predicted earlier, though still too boldly, "the charges against the Navy SEALs would be dropped."

    I argued confidently, and correctly.

    Feds Drop Lying Charges Against 2 SEALs, But More Charges Remain



    I'd just like to say, proudly, I told you so.

    To Redress:

    To All:
    Not to point out the obvious (yeah, right), but I think the story headline even says that not all charges have been dropped.

    As does the story itself.

    So, as far as I can tell, you are not proven correct as of yet.
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    Re: Feds Drop Lying Charges Against 2 SEALs, But More Charges Remain

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Not to point out the obvious (yeah, right), but I think the story headline even says that not all charges have been dropped.

    As does the story itself.

    So, as far as I can tell, you are not proven correct as of yet.
    You mean like this part in the article itself?

    Petty Officer 2nd Class Matthew McCabe of Perrysburg, Ohio, is charged with punching Abed, dereliction of duty and lying to investigators. His trial is set for May 3 in Norfolk.

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    Re: Feds Drop Lying Charges Against 2 SEALs, But More Charges Remain

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    You mean like this part in the article itself?
    That indeed was part of it.
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    Re: Feds Drop Lying Charges Against 2 SEALs, But More Charges Remain

    Where's redress?

    The charges dropped against allegations of lying has to do with an argument Tex and I had with redress. I wonder where redress went...

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    Re: Feds Drop Lying Charges Against 2 SEALs, But More Charges Remain

    Quote Originally Posted by Politics101 View Post
    Where's redress?

    The charges dropped against allegations of lying has to do with an argument Tex and I had with redress. I wonder where redress went...
    Believe it or not, there are 4 hour periods that I do not check this board. Nice try to spin it as me somehow ducking this, but it just looks you look foolish.

    The lying charge has indeed been dropped from two of the three. A third still remains charged with lying. I see no mention of the obstruction of justice charge, and am not sure if that has been dropped or not. I have seen(and mentioned elsewhere but not allowed to link here to it, PM me if you want link) that 3 of the DoD witnesses may have recanted their testimony against the Seals.

    This changes nothing in the nature of what I have said. The primary charge still is not punching the terrorist. The government in the form of the DoD and the Navy are still the ones who choose to press charges. One of the Seals is still charged with lying.
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    Re: Feds Drop Lying Charges Against 2 SEALs, But More Charges Remain

    As I have said throughout this for myself...

    Yes, I understand SOME form of punishment for punching a captive. Our military is supposed to be honorable, and the top of the line. While I sympathize completely with what that soldier did in regards to the punch, and smirk every time I read it, I also recognize that doing something against the rules...even if I like it...needs consequences. Its one of those things where sometimes if you feel strongly about something you do it, knowing and accepting the consequences. That's possibly commendable, or brave. That generally shows you do it with good intentions. If they had been over come with anger at this guy and popped him, venting the frustration of an entire troop of seals, and reported it to his CO and that was it I'd say if he got anything more than a week of some **** duty detail and an official slap on the wrist that it was idiotic over reacting.

    However, from what the MILITARY ITSELF was charging them with, it appeared that it was more than that. I've said all along IF they lied, any of them, IF they tried to cover it up then yeah, I have a problem with that. That suddenly makes that act look like one of justified frustration venting into one more for vigilante vengence, not what our military should be doing. It makes the person look like a coward, unwilling to own up to his actions or have the conviction to believe that what he did was worth it enough to break the rules. It speaks of the persons character and undermines the military.

    This article seems to have a few things up in the air and still doesn't take the cover up/lying off the table completely. It gives an incomplete picture, and one that we likely won't see completed until this moves forward. Till then, my stance is as it always have been....if its found there was a cover up or an attempt to lie about this they should be punished for that, to me that is the far worse issue than the punch. To give an analogy, its much like I felt the lying under oath by Clinton to be a far worse offense then messing with his intern.

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