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    Re: Passenger tried to ignite shoe on United Airlines flight

    All this guy did was smoke on an airplane and have brown skin. The first carries a $3000 fine, the second is not illegal yet.

    Kick him out of the country? Jesus Christ.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Passenger tried to ignite shoe on United Airlines flight

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Oh make no mistake. My mind is absolutely made up about this enemy. I know who it is and I know that the vast majority of my enemy merely act as comfort for those who pick up the vests and AKs. I know this, because I make it a point to understand the world I've deployed into since 1993.
    See that certainty scares me, because to be so certain about such an uncertain situation tells of a lack of understanding about the situation.

    And are we at war with China? Are we at war with the pissed off world? Any non-Muslim nations breeding non-Muslim enemies? There's some people in France that hate us too. Are they our enemy? This politically correct weakness that people are parading about is pathetic. You get no where by refusing the identity of your enemy simply because you don't want to be a "racist" or a religion basher (Clinton politics at its best).
    China has actually engaged in several subtle acts aimed at the US, mostly digital attacks but hostile actions none the less. China DOES hate the US, this shouldnt be news. Now why arent you slobbering paranoia over China?

    1) We are not at war with China! We are prepared as any good military should be, but our enemies are not Chinese! What is it with you people and the great bogeyman? The Defense Industry has sold billions of dollars worth of programs to idiot politicians ever since the Berlin Wall came down over the prospect of a war with China. They even convinced themselves that we should prepare for wars that we want to fight instead of wars that we are going to fight (in 2003 civilians freaked out over the lack of body armor, but had no sense of criticisms towards the gross spending towards F/A-22s to fight China with.) This is a nation that needs us as much as we need them. Besides that, a war with China would be won because they are landlocked and it would not be what people imagine.
    China has a massive military, economic ties to virtually every other country in the world, and a very dedicated population. China does not need the US.

    2) Because until you civilians were attacked on 9/11, none of you gave a damn about the military personel dying in embassies, ships, and barracks.
    You mean the FIRST attack on the WTC meant nothing?

    Clinton's policy on intel reports was that no religion was to be "bashed" and therefore reports from the Pentagon and the CIA were watered.
    Proof?

    This is the whole damn point. People want to pretend that there aren't a lot if you consider the population of Muslims around the globe, but just 1 damn percent is a million. You fear a war with a million man Chinese Army, but not a war with a million terrorists in plain clothes who's only goal is the struggle to please God?
    Because there are far less than a million terrorists in the world and there's plenty we can do to cut their legs out from under them.

    The argued number among experts vary (nowhere near a million), but it only took 18 to kill 3,000 didn't? This is what happens when we underestimate this enemy and reduce them to nothing as compared to a fantasized Chinese threat. This is why morons were shocked and bewildered on 9/11 when our enemy sported turbans and a Quran, not chopsticks and Su-27s. Some people are still looking to dismiss the enemy upon us for the fantasized war with China aren't they?
    If you paid attention to events in the Far East, you'd know that there's simmering tension between the US and China over Taiwan and we are currently allied with Taiwan for economic reasons. China likes to try and throw their weight around with Taiwan to try and tempt a fight where Taiwan looks like the aggressor. This is very basic Asian geopolitics.

    There have been attempts to kill Americans by foreign fighters before and there will be in future. The only difference between Ata and his group was they got lucky and their plan worked well.

    Oh it's not that simple. The Sunni tribe is the region's problem. Even with Iran existing, it's the backward religiously oppressed nations of the Sunni Arabs that produce our enemy. Islam has developed into a religion that caters towards the Sunni Tribe and not towards God over the centuries. Wahhabism is a Sunni creation. Even Khomeini, who blessed suicide bombings as divine and as a tribute to God, has been surpassed by the Sunni tribe, which has inherited the idea of the divinity of the suicide vest.
    Except that many prominent Sunni reject the idea that Wahhabism is a sect of Sunni Islam.

    How has Islam developed into a focus on the Sunni faction?

    Well of course they don't corner the market. Who said they did?
    You seem to be implying it

    Again...politically correct nonesense. Islam is not unique in it's religious zealousy. But are we talking about the Crusades or are we talking about the present? Are we really trying to exonerate the Islamic tidal wave of international violence today because a Christian killed an abortion clinic doctor in his own country a few years back?
    No one is attempting to exonerate anything or taking about the Crusades.

    This is rediculous.
    Is it now? **Smirk**

    Culture is fate. You have just summerized the disease behind the symptoms. And yes.... 9/11, Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, Bashir, countless youth looking to kill themselves for reward, Hezbollah, Qutb, Muslim Brotherhood, etc. are all symtpoms.
    And I think it's astoundingly stupid to assign those symptoms to Islam. There are several factors in play and again it ignores the fact that the majority of Muslims live peaceful and quiet lives, regardless of what they think.

    Well of course it's the case. Where have you been? And guess what? All Sunni or Sunni loyalists. In Somalia they rolled with the war lords and killed Muslims. In Sudan, they assisted Bashirs men in the slaughter of non-Arab Muslims and Christians. In Iraq, they were the driving force of the Sunni insurgency that targetted Shia Muslims (between 30% and 40% of all suicide bombings in the early years of Iraq were claimed by Zarqawi.) They have targetted Muslims in the Phillipines over U.S. Marines because they are easier targets. In Afghanistan they target Muslim schools where women are teachers and Muslim villages that have proven to lean towards a non-Tali-Ban prescription.
    And how much of this is due to political leanings or religious ideas? The Taliban is a political movement and Al-Qaeda is deeply involved in the political processes of different countries. They are a religious movement, but their focus is, for the time being, mainly political.

    Study harder? You just haven't figured it out yet have you? I'm aware of this region. I've obsesssed over it for almost two decades.
    So I see, however obsessing over trying to justify a hatred is not conducive to an education.

    I've seen it over and over. I've also seen the apathy and the utter conflict of determining what a "good" Muslim is from one country to the next. You make a Western mistake in assuming your outlook on life is the same as another region's. "Family ties," which is a kind way of stating "Tribal and Clan ties," is precisely why this region is absolutely screwed up and a mass producer of religious terror.
    You seem to be determined to treat the Middle East as if it's a special case and what happens there doesnt happen anywhere else for any other reason.

    Ego? Survival mode? I don't care if this entire region goes directly to hell in a ball of flames tomorrow. The problem for me is that their wrecked societies are effecting my countrymen and until they fix it they will be a threat upon them.
    And this, to me, says you arent coming at this from any impartial or reasonable direction. You are looking for reasons to justify hating Islam and using a confirmation bias to dig yourself in.

    Continuing a discussion of this nature with you is pointless because your mind is already made up. I am not prepared to waste my time throwing bricks in the Grand Canyon.
    I'm Done

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    Re: Passenger tried to ignite shoe on United Airlines flight

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Violating a smoking ban is hardly grounds for banishing someone from the country.
    But he was from Qator...
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    Re: Passenger tried to ignite shoe on United Airlines flight

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    Re: Passenger tried to ignite shoe on United Airlines flight

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    All this guy did was smoke on an airplane and have brown skin. The first carries a $3000 fine, the second is not illegal yet.

    Kick him out of the country? Jesus Christ.
    He was a smartass who thought his diplomatic immunity would protect him, so he smoked in the airplane bathroom and then made smart remarks about lighting his shoe on fire. How is this 27 year old moron qualified to be a diplomat? He was not kicked anywhere, his government recalled him. I'm sure he will be re-assigned to some local social service position more appropriate for his qualifications.

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    Re: Passenger tried to ignite shoe on United Airlines flight

    Just heard, the savage was off to visit a convicted terrorist....


    Air Marshals should have shot the mother****e.
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    Re: Passenger tried to ignite shoe on United Airlines flight

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Just heard, the savage was off to visit a convicted terrorist....


    Air Marshals should have shot the mother****e.
    American diplomats visit Americans who are jailed overseas. It is customary practice for diplomats to visit their citizens who are jailed abroad to ensure that their rights are safeguarded and that they receive due process. Sometimes diplomats go beyond that role.For example, they can make efforts to try to overturn the outcome of a legal process, which is fairly common when citizens are convicted for narcotics-related offenses in nations where such crimes are capital offenses, even when the legal process has been fully transparent and due process has occurred.

    Smoking on an airplane, though illegal, is not a capital offense. It is also not a rare situation, with 696 persons having been cited over the past 5 years.

    A bad or tasteless joke is not a capital offense either. None of the news accounts following the incident indicated that passengers or air crew ever felt threatened.
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    Re: Passenger tried to ignite shoe on United Airlines flight

    ok, then just beat him a little.
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    Re: Passenger tried to ignite shoe on United Airlines flight

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    He was a smartass who thought his diplomatic immunity would protect him, so he smoked in the airplane bathroom and then made smart remarks about lighting his shoe on fire. How is this 27 year old moron qualified to be a diplomat? He was not kicked anywhere, his government recalled him. I'm sure he will be re-assigned to some local social service position more appropriate for his qualifications.
    If someone is 27 and a diplomat then obviously they have been kicking ass at their profession early.
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    Re: Passenger tried to ignite shoe on United Airlines flight

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    If someone is 27 and a diplomat then obviously they have been kicking ass at their profession early.
    Not necessarily... his daddy may gotten him in, his family may be rich, he may be a robot drone kiss-ass for the existing regime. There's lots of other ways to be a diplomat and assuming they're good at what they do may not be the only reason.
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